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Old Jul 20, 2007, 07:44 PM
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Does jesus live? Show me proof.

How much longer before he come back,
anyone know, let me know please...

 
     

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Old Jul 22, 2007, 09:17 PM   #81  
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Starman: an oxymoron is a christian scientist, a conflictiog situation, what do you think.

I think an evolutionist scientist fits that description since they ignore basic scientific principles when it suits them, discard evidence when it doesn't fit their precious ideas, all of which is blatantly anti-scientific.
 
 
     
 
 
Old Jul 22, 2007, 10:03 PM   #82  
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Not exactly....as i said in my other reply, It says in the Bible that God also created science.
I really do not think it says anywhere in the Bible that God doesn't want us to believe in science altogether. Because he created it. Don't you think that if he hadn't then many people would die of all those mortal diseases, I don't think God wants that.
Yet, taking it all the way back to Adam and Eve, remember, they disobeyed God. The world was perfect before that happened. Remember it says that the serpent offered them "knowledge?" To know "Good from bad?" Remember it says that the serpent/satan is always misleading? That it's actions seem like it's the right thing but it's just dressed up.
Anyway when Adam and Eve decided to take the serpent's offer, God punished them. Yeah they acquired "knowledge" but just take a look at how we're using it now. Now we use the science that God created for something evil. Such as weapons and all sorts of things that damage this world and God's people. Which it is the price to pay for that initial disobedience. Since then, satan has been controlling our actions. And what Jesus was and still is trying to do, is save us from what we ourselves put us into.

"Onward christian soldiers marching on to war, with the cross of JC movin on the fore"
 
 
     
 
 
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I think an evolutionist scientist fits that description since they ignore basic scientific principles when it suits them, discard evidence when it doesn't fit their precious ideas, all of which is blatantly anti-scientific.
Please elaborate on this evidence and these principles which are ignored.
 
 
     
 
 
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"Onward christian soldiers marching on to war, with the cross of JC movin on the fore"


What you are describing is well-meaning but misguided apostasy from the clear Christian behavioral requirements found in the NT. I know it's popular to do so these days but the Bible doesn't support the idea of calling people who might be behaving satanically Christians.

Matthew 7:20 "Wherefore, by their fruits ye shall know them" ...
 
 
     
 
 
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You do not need faith to know the sun is going to rise tomorrow. It is a scientific fact that the sun is going to rise tomorrow, unless something catastrophic happens in the next few hours, which I doubt will happen.

Hubble images of dying stars force cosmic reconsideration

December 17, 1997
Web posted at: 5:51 p.m. EST (2251 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- New data gathered by NASA's Hubble Space Telescope reveal that sun-like stars are dying in a much more spectacular way than previously assumed, forcing scientists to rethink their theories on the process.

The images also cast new light on the final moments of our own sun, which is expected to die about 5 billion years from now.

Astronomers on Wednesday revealed pictures showing surprisingly intricate glowing patterns spun into space by dying stars. The shapes are reminiscent of pinwheels, lawn sprinkler-style jets, elegant goblet shapes, and rocket engine exhausts.

The new pictures show the dying stars emitting nebulous gasses in what scientists have dubbed a "final blaze of glory" as a star expands before burning out and becoming what is known as a white dwarf.

Scientists say that the new Hubble pictures completely overturn the current assumption that sun-like stars gracefully cast off a shell of glowing gas and then settle into a long retirement as a burned-out white dwarf.

"The first time we looked at the Hubble's breathtaking pictures, we knew that our older and simpler ideas of how these objects are formed had to be overhauled," said Howard Bond of the Space Telescope Science Institute.

Scientists point out that while the data are predominantly about stars dying, they are also about cosmic rebirth, since the heavier elements (like carbon) cooked in the stars are ejected into interstellar space as raw material for successive generations of stars, planets and, potentially, life.

Among the surprising new details revealed by the Hubble pictures:
Unexplained disks and "donuts" of dust girdling a star, which pinch outflowing gas.
Remarkably sharp, inner bubbles of glowing gas blown out by the violently outflowing gasses. This is called a "fast wind" (1,000 miles/sec) ejected during the final stages of a star's death.
Jets of high-speed particles that shoot out in opposite directions from a star and plow through surrounding gas, like a garden hose stream hitting a sand pile.
Pinwheel patterns formed by symmetrical ejection of material so that intricate structures are mirrored on the opposite side of a star.

This photo compares a ground-based image (L) taken under optimum conditions with a new image from Hubble

Bond said that these nebulae depicted in the new Hubble pictures also give a preview of our own sun's fate: "Some 5 billion years from now, after the sun has become a red giant and burned the Earth to cinder, it will eject its own beautiful nebula and then fade away as a white dwarf star."

Please follow this link for the pictures-
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9712/17/nasa.hubble/
 
 
     
 
 
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Self_inflicted_hell , you are on the right track. The questions should be continued to be asked to unveil the beast...


This is getting scarey.

Ain't nothing wrong with asking questions, but it strikes me that you aren't really that interested in the answers to those questions. I can no more prove to you that Jesus lives than you can prove that "In the very beginning there was nothing except for a plasma soup." I can only testify of my experience, that once I was blind, but now I see. That's how I know Jesus lives, and it's the only way you'll know He lives - by believing, accepting and experiencing the transformation that comes with faith in Christ. Nothing scary about that, it's just how it is.

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The images also cast new light on the final moments of our own sun, which is expected to die about 5 billion years from now.

You just proved MY point. In the article you copied and pasted our sun is expected to last another 5 billion years. So again I say, it is a scientific fact that the sun will rise again.
 
 
     
 
 
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You just proved MY point. In the article you copied and pasted our sun is expected to last another 5 billion years. So again I say, it is a scientific fact that the sun will rise again.

LOL! wasnt my intention, but glad to have been of help.
just something I found on the net and thought it was relevant to your point.
But I must say this, scientists also did not think that global warming will affect as it is affecting today, they were thinking of a few 50 to 100 years down the line...so who knows what these scientific facts will continue to prove.

It does say that the sun may last 5 billion years, but the scientists do predict its death, so our childrens great grand children might be the one's waking up to a sunless world.....maybe not you or I.

Just a thought!!!
 
 
     
 
 
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LOL! wasnt my intention, but glad to have been of help.
just something I found on the net and thought it was relevant to your point.
But I must say this, scientists also did not think that global warming will affect as it is affecting today, they were thinking of a few 50 to 100 years down the line...so who knows what these scientific facts will continue to prove.

It does say that the sun may last 5 billion years, but the scientists do predict its death, so our childrens great grand children might be the one's waking up to a sunless world.....maybe not you or I.

Just a thought!!!

Thank you for that info!
 
 
     
 
 
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Here's just a thought. There are Christian soldiers in the war in Iraq. As you must know all those middle east countries do not believe in the Christian Bible or Jesus. Perhaps some of those soldiers might be trying to spread God's word??? Any comments or corrections on this??

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Apple Crisp disagrees: Are you kidding about no Christians? They have some of the oldest Churches there. The conflicts that the news has been talking about all these years in Lebanon? Where have you been?
 
 
     


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