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"Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. ...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus."
On what that Paul wrote did Thomas Jefferson base this conclusion?
THis is very true. I am a Christian and yet I can readily acknowledge that many churches' teachings are partially or totally erroneous.
And I will even go that all denominations have some incorrect teachings, this is because man and thier customs get included over years by all of them. But the defining line is their beleif on Christ.
I will wonder here a bit, but this is why as a nation which is mostly christian, we as christians should want to be sure we keep a political leader who represents our faith,
Yeah, and you could do it too, except for that pesky Constitution (Article VI, section 3):
"...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
Doh!!
Well some changes to it, would not hurt either, that right to bear arms need to be alot clearer also, so the supreme court would stop messing with that. And that part where churches were suppose to be protected from the government, ( not government from the church) need to be written alittle more clear also. Most likely the early writters did not expect the courts to rewrite what they were saying though case laws.
But if christians all voted as a block, there would be no need, there is no problem with christians voting thier religion, which they should. They should look at the candidates who represent the most moral and most christian view points.
But all that does say is that the government can not require it, but the voters can demand it if they are going to vote for them, If anyone who did not have the right moral values would not get a single christian vote, they would be wasting thier time running.
And that part where churches were suppose to be protected from the government, ( not government from the church) need to be written alittle more clear also.
Saul(St. Paul) was a Pharisee who never met the man called Jesus. He was a highly educated man, educated in Greece and having lived in Greece, and on the road to Damascus he was struck with the idea of blending the teachings of Jesus with the Greek Mysteries and the hopes for Jewish Messiah!
Paul took the teachings of a simple Jewish rabbi, teachings that stressed love over anger, helping the poor by sharing the wealth, not to worry about one's future, to be humble, and so on, and changed that peaceful message into a nightmare of focusing on sin and death, homosexuality, and oppressing females, among other negative things.
Saul founded the religion called Christianity and promoted it first to the Jews then all over the Mediterranean world. Saul was a very ambitious fellow and first corrupter of the teachings of Jesus.
I get a kick out of it when I hear talk of a ‘Untied Christian voting Block’. In view of things like this:
Conservative Pastor John Hagee, founder of Christians United for Israel, endorsed John McCain.
Conservative William Donohue, president of the Catholic League called Hagee a "bigot," and said the right-wing pastor has waged "an unrelenting war against the Catholic Church" by "calling it 'The Great Whore,' an 'apostate church,' the 'anti-Christ,' and a 'false cult system.'"
Jefferson did remain loyal to his Anglican\Episcopal upbringing and had an Episcopal minister at his bedside before he died. But the issue is not whether he was a Christian or not.
I disagree wholeheartedly. The fact that he was not a Christian - along with the fact that he would discount most of the New Testament as myth, fable and/or innacurate is good reason to not take his comments seriously.
...so to answer the direct question: No, Paul did not "corrupt" the teaching of Jesus.
I disagree wholeheartedly. The fact that he was not a Christian - along with the fact that he would discount most of the New Testament as myth, fable and/or innacurate is good reason to not take his comments seriously.
...so to answer the direct question: No, Paul did not "corrupt" the teaching of Jesus.
I agree, he was a Deist with Christian underpinnings …unlike Paine whose beliefs did not have Christian underpinnings. Among other Bible readers that might be mentioned are the foes of the Bible, those who approach it with a critical eye, as often do the agnostic, the skeptic, the infidel, and the atheist.
While purporting to have an objective attitude toward the Bible, more often than not they read for the purpose of finding fault with it, scanning its pages with eagle eye to find instances in which the Bible appears to contradict itself, science or secular history. Thus these hope to discredit the Bible in the eyes of others. The extremes to which these go prove that they are anything but what they make their boast to be—objective. However, Bible scholarship, science and archaeology more and more bring forth evidence refuting all such attacks. Obviously, all such Bible reading is futile.
Saul(St. Paul) was a Pharisee who never met the man called Jesus. He was a highly educated man, educated in Greece and having lived in Greece, and on the road to Damascus he was struck with the idea of blending the teachings of Jesus with the Greek Mysteries and the hopes for Jewish Messiah!
Paul took the teachings of a simple Jewish rabbi, teachings that stressed love over anger, helping the poor by sharing the wealth, not to worry about one's future, to be humble, and so on, and changed that peaceful message into a nightmare of focusing on sin and death, homosexuality, and oppressing females, among other negative things.
Saul founded the religion called Christianity and promoted it first to the Jews then all over the Mediterranean world. Saul was a very ambitious fellow and first corrupter of the teachings of Jesus.
Good question, Crow!
All four Gospels talk of SIN, REPENTANCE, FORGIVENESS. St Paul is consistent with this theme.
Read Romans in its entirety, especially 7, 8, 12 . Also 1 Corinthians 13 on love, Galatians 5 ""the only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love" His message of God's love is consistent with the Gospels.
…unlike Paine whose beliefs did not have Christian underpinnings. Among other Bible readers that might be mentioned are the foes of the Bible, those who approach it with a critical eye, as often do the agnostic, the skeptic, the infidel, and the atheist. 
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