Is Jesus Christ God?
Investigate these interesting claims... The earliest followers of Jesus all seemed pretty convinced that Jesus was fully God in human form.
Paul said, "He is the image of the invisible God...in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell."
John said that Jesus created the world.
Peter said, "Every one who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name." But what did Jesus say about himself?
Did he ever identify himself as God? According to the Bible...absolutely! Below are some of his statements made while on earth, in their context. Is Jesus God? How he implied he was God: The Jews therefore said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am." Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple. (John 8:57-59)
"I and the Father are one." The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." (John 10:30-33)
And Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me does not believe in Me, but in Him who sent Me. And he who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me. I have come as light into the world, that everyone who believes in Me may not remain in darkness." (John 12:44-46)
And so when He had washed their feet, and taken His garments, and reclined at the table again, He said to them, "Do you know what I have done to you? You call Me Teacher and Lord; and you are right, for I am. If I then, the Lord and the Teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet." (John 13:12-14)
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how do you say, 'Show us the Father'?" (John 14:6-9)
Is Jesus God? How he described himself: Jesus therefore said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread out of heaven, but it is My Father who gives you the true bread out of heaven. For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world." They said therefore to Him, "Lord, evermore give us this bread." Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me shall not hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst." (John 6:32-35)
Again therefore Jesus spoke to them, saying, "I am the light of the world; he who follows Me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the light of life." The Pharisees therefore said to Him, "You are bearing witness of Yourself; Your witness is not true." Jesus answered and said to them, "Even if I bear witness of Myself, My witness is true; for I know where I came from, and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from, or where I am going." (John 8:12-14)
Jesus therefore said to them again, "Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal, and kill, and destroy; I came that they might have life, and might have it abundantly. I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep." (John 10:7-11)
Martha therefore said to Jesus, "Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died. Even now I know that whatever You ask of God, God will give You." Jesus said to her, "Your brother shall rise again." Martha said to Him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day." Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me shall live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?" She said to Him, "Yes, Lord; I have believed that You are the Christ, the Son of God, even He who comes into the world." (John 11:21-27)
Is Jesus God? What he said he was sent here to do: But Jesus called them to Himself, and said, "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great men exercise authority over them. It is not so among you, but whoever wishes to become great among you shall be your servant, and whoever wishes to be first among you shall be your slave; just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many." (Matthew 20:25-28)
For He was teaching His disciples and telling them, "The Son of Man is to be delivered into the hands of men, and they will kill Him; and when He has been killed, He will rise three days later." But they did not understand this statement, and they were afraid to ask Him. (Mark 9:31-32)
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through Him. He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (John 3:16-18)
"All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him, may have eternal life; and I Myself will raise him up on the last day." (John 6:37-40)
Do you believe what the bibles says about Jesus being God?

Will144

The truth is The New Covenant (Jn 6:53, Mt 6:17-26, Lk 22:15-20). That is the truth. If God opens your eyes to understand the scriptures, not have knowledge of them, but understand the scriptures and God's purpose for us. You will see that The New Covenant, in other words, The Passover is the truth. It is the only way we can be raised up at the last day. That is the truth. And through the Passover we are set free of sins as long as we keep the Passover, the feasts of God and the Sabbath. Yes, that is the only truth Jesus left all over the bible, but yet man chooses to ignore and come up with their own concepts and ''discretes''.

Morganite

I have read what you have to say about Jesus and pesach but I cannot follow your line of argument or reasoning. It seems to me that you make vast leaps of logic based on little real evidence of connection.

Do I read you right when it appears to me that you totally discount the crucifixion as a meaningless piece of theatre that contributes nothing to mankind's forgiveness, atonement, and salvation?

Will144

Jesus celebrated Passover right before the crucifixion. He died for our sins but he eagerly wanted to eat the Passover where can obtain the forgiveness of sins. Do you think it is fair that he died once and then we all get to sin as much as we want and be forgiven? No way, He came and established the new covenant and fulfilled the prophecies by being crucified. We need to celebrate the Passover to have forgiveness of sins. The crucifixion is important by he said to celebrate the Passover. therefore, we must obey, shouldn't we?

galveston

I asked this question in another thread. Are you saying that we have to keep one or more points of the "Law" in order to be saved?

Morganite

Pardon me, Will, but if, as you say above, you do not have the truth, then how can you preach the truth?

What is the name of this new cult?



M

Morganite

What is there about the meal Jesus ate with the Twelve in the uppper room that forces you to conclude that this was a Passover meal? In the synoptic gospels Jesus, it is said, eats a passover meal before his passion, but in John's gospel he doesn't. The last supper recorded in John;s gospel is actually eaten before the beginning of pesach.

Jesus did not say "Celebrate pesach." That is wildly inaccurate and distorts the scriptural records.

What Jesus did was to institue a memorial meal, "This do in remembrance of me, etc ... " He makes no mention of pesach.

John Chapter 13
John 13:1
1 ¶ NOW before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.

John 13:2
2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's [son], to betray him;

John 13:3
3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

John 13:4
4 He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.

John 13:5
5 After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe [them] with the towel wherewith he was girded.

John 13:6
6 Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?

John 13:7
7 Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.

John 13:8
8 Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.

John 13:9
9 Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also [my] hands and [my] head.

John 13:10
10 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash [his] feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.

John 13:11
11 For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.

John 13:12
12 So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?

John 13:13
13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for [so] I am.

John 13:14
14 If I then, [your] Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.

John 13:15
15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

John 13:16
16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

John 13:17
17 If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.

John 13:18
18 ¶ I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.

John 13:19
19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am [he].

John 13:20
20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

John 13:21
21 When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.

John 13:22
22 Then the disciples looked one on another, doubting of whom he spake.

John 13:23
23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.

John 13:24
24 Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake.

John 13:25
25 He then lying on Jesus' breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?

John 13:26
26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped [it]. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave [it] to Judas Iscariot, [the son] of Simon.

John 13:27
27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

John 13:28
28 Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him.

John 13:29
29 For some [of them] thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy [those things] that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.

John 13:30
30 He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night.

John 13:31
31 ¶ Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.

John 13:32
32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

John 13:33
33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.

John 13:34
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

John 13:35
35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

MRGANITE

Will144

It's a cult but yet I quoted everything that Jesus said? You call a cult a church that follows the teachings of Christ rather than man? I hope God opens your eyes to see the truth and not your own traditions. God Bless and take care.

Morganite

Every church or religious ovement or group is a cult. Oxford English Dictionary.

The only change to that comes from mean Christians that use the word 'cult' solely in a pejorative sense. Christians are NEVER pejorative. NEVER.

What is your denomination?

I have no traditions but scripture. Sorry If I made you think I had. I don't know how that happened.


M

arcura

I believe that when Jesus said that we should know the truth and it will make us free He was talking about what He (God the Son) would teach us via both word and deed.
Every word He said; every thing He did all together (if we learn from them and follow them) will set us free from being enslaved by this world and being lost souls.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)

fitnahpolice

Jesus never proclaimed divinity for himself nor did he ask his followers to worship him. Infact he prayed to God himself like a true subservient slave. After Christ, the religion and texts were tampered with and there is clear evidence from the early centuries of the adding and expounding of books, e.g. Council of Nicea in the year 325.

The word Trinity cannot be found in the bible but it is mentioned in the Qur'an:

O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allâh aught but the truth. The Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allâh and His Word, ("Be!" - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rûh)[] created by Him; so believe in Allâh and His Messengers. Say not: "Trinity!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allâh is (the only) One Ilâh (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allâh is All­Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs. [4:171]

Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allâh is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no ilâh (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilâh (God -Allâh). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them. [5:73]

Jesus (peace be upon him) had given glad tidings of Muhammad and it is binding now upon all Christians to follow him. Muslims believe Jesus to be one of the greatest of all messengers. We believe in his miracle birth, his healing the blind and the leper and his giving life to the dead with God's permission. But Jesus never claimed divinity for that would be against his mission. Nor was he crucified as Allah says in the Quran:

"And because of their saying (in boast). We killed Messiah 'Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," -- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them" [4:157]

Jesus was raised up by Allah and just like the Christians, muslims believe that he will return before the end of time. But this time not as a messenger but as a leader of the muslims following the commandments of the Qur'an the the legislations laid down by Muhammad. He will be a proof against the Christians as described so eloquently in the Qur'an, Chapter 5:

116. And (remember) when Allâh will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allâh?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner­self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All­Knower of all that is hidden and unseen.

117. "Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allâh) did command me to say: 'Worship Allâh, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things. (This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world).

118. "If You punish them, they are Your slaves, and if You forgive them, verily You, only You are the All­Mighty, the All­Wise."

119. Allâh will say: "This is a Day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: theirs are Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise) - they shall abide therein forever. Allâh is pleased with them and they with Him. That is the great success (Paradise).

120. To Allâh belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is therein, and He is Able to do all things.