heres a question and i would like to get a christian (especially catholic) point of veiw on this.
what is your beleif about demons? do they exist and do they mess with us in a spiritua sense? can one really be posessed??
i have a friend who has a severe seizure disorder, and he is a devout christian. he is mentally sound and i trust him a lot. he claims that when he has a seizure, during the end of it in his hypnotic like state, he sees demons and angels as well. he says one demon in particular has a name he never heard before: "Abatu". he is terrified. he said the angels are almost as terrifying only in a different way. i have been there for some of his seizures and he is getting more scared with each one, scared of what he is seeing and scared of being alone in this. he says he trusts Jesus and asks me to start praying when he feels a seizure coming on, stating that this demon figure he sees hates the word of God and is deterred by it. he has warned me not to pursue this and not to research it, stating that it is very dangerous ground that i dont want to be poking around in. but of course, i am curious.
has anyone studies this subject, and what do you think of this??

SkyGem

The original question concerning demons has taken a serious turn 180 degrees to the other side by anti-Christians in an attempt to obfuscate the original question and issue in support of demons, I'm afraid. If there is a way to do this, they will find it, be assured of that! There are some who visit here who have brought out absurdities and endless theories as there are their theorists. One such thing is the Red Sea vs. Sea of Reed thing. The Holy Bible actually says the Red Sea is what Moses parted at God's direction. This is referred to actually as the Red Sea in HEBREWS 11:29 (KJV). Another factor about the "reed thing" is that reeds do not grow in salt water! And the Sea of Reeds is a swampy area to the North of the Red Sea, not where Pharaoh's army was drowned by God's Power. Reeds, incidentally, are also known as papyrus which the Egyptians used and continue to use today. 1 KINGS 9:26 shows it is the RED SEA. If what the anti-Christians are actually saying were to be true, then Pharaoh's army would have DROWNED in the 8 TO 10 inches of water they passed through! We must then deduct How WONDERFUL is God's Power to take care of these soldiers in such a small amount of water!

God, again, can truly Perform Miracles! Of course, closed-minded skeptics, especially heretics, will never understand that or want to understand that. The attempt to discredit Biblical Truths will continue, most unfortunately, under the guise that man knows more than God. But God actually allows this, just to Prove them WRONG in the end. Since they do not appear to realize this, their games will thus, most likely, continue but God's Glory will indeed Prove Them Wrong at God's appointed time.

workerbee

Skygem you are correct that this thread took a 180 degree turn. Now let me answer you question. First off I am not making this up. Read below
However, apart from the matter of the number of people is an even more significant issue. The problem is that the biblical account never refers to the Red Sea by name. In fact, nowhere in the entire Old Testament Hebrew text is the body of water associated with the exodus ever called the "Red Sea." Instead in the Hebrew text the reference is to the yam suph. The word yam in Hebrew is the ordinary word for "sea," although in Hebrew it is used for any large body of water whether fresh or salt. The word suph is the word for "reeds" or "rushes," the word used in Ex. 2:3, 5 to describe where Moses' basket was placed in the Nile. So, the biblical reference throughout the Old Testament is to the "sea of reeds" (e.g., Num 14:25, Deut 1:40, Josh 4:23, Psa 106:7. etc.).

The translation "Red Sea" is simply a traditional translation introduced into English by the King James Version through the second century BC Greek Septuagint and the later Latin Vulgate. It then became a traditional translation of the Hebrew terms. However, many modern translations either translate yam suph as "Sea of Reeds" or use the traditional translation and add a footnote for the Hebrew meaning.


You are reading a mistranslation, When i first saw this on TV it mentions the drowning as the jews attacking the egyptians in the marsh and killing them (tey don't mean a literal drowning you need to educate yourself) That's why you should read from other sources instead of being a close-minded person. To believe in Noah's ark ,a young earth, that is sad
Let me finish by saying there are no demons, only the ones are in people's minds so rachie doesn't have a thing to worry about. Back on topic

workerbee

sassyT

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Workerbee if your "reed sea theory" is correct then that means God did an even greater mirracle by drowning thousands of egyptian soldiers and their charriots in 8-10inches of water..lol

Exodus 14vs 26-28
Then the LORD said to Moses, “Stretch out your hand over the sea, that the waters may come back upon the Egyptians, on their chariots, and on their horsemen.” 27 And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and when the morning appeared, the sea returned to its full depth, while the Egyptians were fleeing into it. So the LORD overthrew the Egyptians in the midst of the sea. 28 Then the waters returned and covered the chariots, the horsemen, and all the army of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them. Not so much as one of them remained.

SkyGem

Demons most certainly exist except to those who may be in legion with them. But afterall, "can satan cast out satan?" (MARK 3:23 KJV) Infidels have a one-track mind and try to espouse their gross inaccuracies in this forum and so many other places to try to sway Christian minds. It won't work, of course, no matter how hard you try to present your "case" that is full of holes. If you were with God and Believed in Him, He would show you the TRUTH to this matter by way of the Holy Spirit. Enough said.

sassyT

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You are so ignorant on the subject its scary. The Bible is a reliable historic document. Most of the historical events are confirmed by other non biblical writings. For example, the The Ancient Egyptians wrote about the the calamities that God sent to Pharoah at his refusal to releace the Isrealits. It was even documented by the Egyptians that the rivers turned to blood. That is just one example of the Bible's Historicity. So before you emabarrase yourself i would do a little more search on the subject.

workerbee

First off the drowning is a metaphor, possibly, sassy, it is not my reed theory it is written in the HEBREW BIBLE as reed never Red but you don't care about that. i know why you are calling me ignorant, it's because you know in the back of your mind i have good points and it frightens you. Now let's not disrepect this forum or this thread let's get back on topic. they are no demons or angels think about it why would an angel need wings it is not aerodynamically sound. it is symbolism only. Please stay on topic PM me if you want to talk of other things.

workerbee

tawnynkids

Can I just say for those who do believe in the Bible, the reason the study proving prayer doesn't work "proved it" is that it clearly says in the Bible "Do not test the Lord"? Even Jesus would not command something to watch God perform! He knew better than that.

workerbee

It is just the way you look at it. trying to help someone is not testing god, the study was done to answer the question once and for all. earlier studies were flawed. that was why the study was made. the other reason was if prayer is true it would help people and doctors would incorporate it in treating patients. Again just christian excuses for God not doing a thing. I don't pretend to have all of the answers but come on. read my thread on taking the bible literally.


P.s the reed thing and my other suggestions are from bibical scholars
workerbee

sassyT

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Workerbee, your "reed sea" conspiracy theory falls apart right there Because the Hebrew does not say the reed sea. This is what the encyclopidia says about your theory.

Wikipedia Says

"It has been argued that the Hebrew name that has been translated as "The Red Sea" (Yam Suph) may not refer to the Red Sea, but rather to a "Sea of Reeds" (Yam Suphim), despite the fact that later books of the Bible refer to the Red Sea port of Aqaba as being located on Yam Suph.

The theory that Yam Suph was a small, marshy body of swampwater to the north of the Red Sea allows for a non-supernatural interpretation of the crossing. It does not, however, explain the subsequent drowning of several thousand soldiers in the same body of water."



I am not saying you are ignorant in general. I am just saying you seem very ignorant in this particular subject matter. Clearly you need to do a little more reading and research before you make statements that make you look ignorant and uninformed.





I was just responding to your reed theory, so you need to take your own advice and stop bringing up things that have nothing to do with the subject of the discussion.

sassyT

Here is an independent study done on prayer which concluded that God does answer prayer. I can be a witness to that because God has answered all my prayers.

Scientific Evidence for Answered Prayer