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Old Nov 4, 2007, 03:39 PM
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The Creation of the Universe and an eternal God.

I hope nobody sees this as a baited question. I hope you all know me well enough to know that i'm just here as a genuinely interested party, wondering how certain inconsistancies (as I see them) are explained in religious creation.

If God is perfect, and God is eternal, why did he suddenly feel the need to create the universe 13 billion years ago, or 7000 years ago, or however long ago you believe it happened? Did he get bored or...? How does a perfect being get bored? Why create something in an already perfect universe? And if the universe was not already perfect, then why not create it at any point in the eternity beforehand?

I suspect the answer will be something to do with the "mysterious ways of God that us finite humans cannot possibly fathom", but I'd like your thoughts.

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Old Nov 5, 2007, 11:53 PM   #11  
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I like this answer.

I really don't think God was bored. Like you said capuchin, how does a perfect being get bored? I think it was simply because He wanted to. He wanted to have more people/spirits/souls/beings, whatever you would like to call it, with Him. Why do we write/create stories/peoms, create drawings, and other things we make/create? Sure it could be out of boredom, but moreso it is because you want to and like to. I think God simply wanted to.

Why would a perfect God suddenly want something?
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Old Nov 6, 2007, 04:48 AM   #12  
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Why would a perfect God suddenly want something?

How do we know it was sudden?
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Old Nov 6, 2007, 04:53 AM   #13  
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How do we know it was sudden?

Well in the vast expanse of the infinate, ANYTHING is sudden!
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How do we know it was sudden?
If you're omnipotent, there's no advantage to doing anything slowly.

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Soldout agrees: this all just human assumption and speculation.
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Old Nov 6, 2007, 07:43 AM   #15  
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God said "your ways are not My ways, and your thoughts are not My thoughts for as far as the heavens are from the earth so are my ways from your ways and My thoughts from yours" I think what you people are trying to do is put God in your little Human box. God is not a man, he is not limited by our thoughts of what we think He is. God does not use his fore knowlege to stop him from doing something. Thats is why he sends His servants (Christians) to preach the Gospel to a lost person. He said go into ALL the world and Preach the Gospel. God has for knowlege on wether that person will recieve Him or not but that does not stop him from giving that person the oppotunity to recieve him despite the fact that he knows the outcome.

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I'd like your thoughts.

My thoughts are that the question "Why is there something rather than nothing?", is not so much unanswerable as it is uninteresting. Answers are a dime a dozen, ranging all the way from "No reason." to "Because God willed it." The thing they all have in common is that they are utterly immune to both logic and experiment as techniques for choosing one over the other. As far as I can tell, it's entirely a matter of aesthetic (or if you prefer, idealistic) preference. For me, personally, this isn't a problem, (my preference is somewhere in between) but neither does it engage my attention or stimulate my imagination in ways that seem creative and beneficial. Consequently, this brief paragraph is about all I can muster on the subject.
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He wasn't bored, but he most likely wanted to amuse himself
Seriously, God is energy and creative so he wanted to use the energy and creativity and not let his talents go to waste
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God said "your ways are not My ways, and your thoughts are not My thoughts for as far as the heavens are from the earth so are my ways from your ways and My thoughts from yours" I think what you people are trying to do is put God in your little Human box. God is not a man, he is not limited by our thoughts of what we think He is. God does not use his fore knowlege to stop him from doing something. Thats is why he sends His servants (Christians) to preach the Gospel to a lost person. He said go into ALL the world and Preach the Gospel. God has for knowlege on wether that person will recieve Him or not but that does not stop him from giving that person the oppotunity to recieve him despite the fact that he knows the outcome.

This is true. Because our limits in understanding are human and imperfect limits trying to understand does tend to put Him in a "human box", but that's only because that is our limit. At the same time though, I don't think thinking about it is a bad thing. Though we know we cannot possibly understand with this mind I don't think it hurts anything by trying to imagine.

What I wonder is when we are of perfect mind, will He reveal to us all the answers to the now impossible questions?
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What I wonder is when we are of perfect mind, will He reveal to us all the answers to the now impossible questions?

I don't know. I'd like to think that He won't simply reveal the answers, but will allow us to use our new perfect minds to discover the answers for ourselves. I think learning and discovery is much more fun than just absorbing.
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Here's a website I found that helps with perspective on this.
Our identity as human beings
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