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mountain_man · Sep 25, 2007, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by StuMegu

So, do you need God to make you do that then? Would you be a bad person if it wasn't for God watching your every move? I don't need God to make me do it but I sometimes need a reminder (love you neighbor as yourself) to love the ones I don't want to.
To me, compassion and love do not depend on a God to threaten me into it. I agree.

If, when I die, it turns out I was wrong and there is a God, will I go to hell just for not believing in him? The Bible and my belief say yes.
I think that I am a fairly good human being, does that not count for anything in the final reckoning? Again according to the Bible and my beliefs it won't "we are saved by grace not by works"

God is not an evil commander in the sky waiting to punish you. I know a lot of people have that view for whatever reason or experience. We all face trials and pain in our life but don't blame it on God when it occurs. Find the good in your experiences and grow from them.

StuMegu · Sep 26, 2007, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mountain_man

God is not an evil commander in the sky waiting to punish you. I know a lot of people have that view for whatever reason or experience. We all face trials and pain in our life but don't blame it on God when it occurs. Find the good in your experiences and grow from them.

Wow! I find it absolutely amazing that you follow this God then, He places NO value on good deeds, only belief. As you yourself say, good deeds will not get someone into heaven.

When you die I hope you are both happy together - I will not support such a selfish God who takes brainless followers over people who do good deeds for the sake of it. You should be ashamed of your religion for such rules.

mountain_man · Sep 26, 2007, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by StuMegu

Wow! I find it absolutely amazing that you follow this God then, He places NO value on good deeds, only belief. As you yourself say, good deeds will not get someone into heaven.

When you die I hope you are both happy together - I will not support such a selfish God who takes brainless followers over people who do good deeds for the sake of it. You should be ashamed of your religion for such rules.

You do not seem understand the concept...You are only saved by God's grace, if you believe and trust in Him. Good works are not required for that criteria but of course He does place value on good works. The two greatest commandments from God are 1) Love God with all your heart, soul, mind 2) love your neighbor as yourself....I don't know about you but loving people is a good work and something I have to try really hard to do in many cases. We as believers will be rewarded in heaven for the works we do here on earth.

And I am not ashamed of my beliefs and I am glad you are amazed that I follow this God because so am I!

StuMegu · Sep 26, 2007, 10:21 AM

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You do not seem understand the concept...You are only saved by God's grace, if you believe and trust in Him. Good works are not required for that criteria but of course He does place value on good works. The two greatest commandments from God are 1) Love God with all your heart, soul, mind 2) love your neighbor as yourself....I don't know about you but loving people is a good work and something I have to try really hard to do in many cases. We as believers will be rewarded in heaven for the works we do here on earth.

And I am not ashamed of my beliefs and I am glad you are amazed that I follow this God because so am I!

You don't seem to understand what you are advocating. That all good people from the entire globe (apart from those who follow your religion) should go to hell for eternity.

HELL! For all eternity! For what crime - not believing in God.

How do you people sleep at night?

If you all believe that this is good and just then I just hope you never serve on a jury.

NeedKarma · Sep 26, 2007, 10:31 AM

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MoonlitWaves · Sep 26, 2007, 05:02 PM

You don't seem to understand what you are advocating. That all good people from the entire globe (apart from those who follow your religion) should go to hell for eternity.

Advocating hell. We're not in favor of hell or people going to hell. It's the exact opposite actually. It is not our choice whether people go to Heaven or hell...never was.

HELL! For all eternity! For what crime - not believing in God.

What you should be wondering is why someone who doesn't believe in God should go to Heaven. It's like your employer paying you for not working. Besides, if someone does not believe in God then Heaven and hell does not exist for them.

How do you people sleep at night?

Do you think we don't care? It is a sad thing that there will be many people that will go to hell, even good people. If we are doing what we are supposed to do then we will be trying to win over as many souls to Christ as we can. You do what you can and let God take care of the rest. No one could sleep at night if they dwelled on it. It's no different than dwelling on all the bad in the world...cancers, AIDS, child abuse, poverty, etc. How do you sleep at night? Because you don't dwell on it.

If you all believe that this is good and just then I just hope you never serve on a jury.

No true Christian would believe hell is good. It is because of our belief that we ask for salvation. It is through God's grace that we are saved. And it is because of all three that God gives us eternal life/Heaven.

paraclete · Sep 26, 2007, 05:16 PM

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Are christians averse to researching anything that would contradict the bible no matter how true they might find it to be upon reading ? Every thinking christian owes it to themselves to research every source of possible contradiction, if for no other reason than being able to refute the contradictory material. Here are two good sites that every christian of intelligence ought to look into: God vs. The Bible & The Age of Reason.

Christians don't have to chase after the truth, and why research contradictions when you know you have the truth. Why do we know we have the truth, because Jesus told us. He frequently said I tell you the truth

jillianleab · Sep 26, 2007, 06:43 PM

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Christians don't have to chase after the truth, and why research contradictions when you know you have the truth. Why do we know we have the truth, because Jesus told us. He frequently said I tell you the truth

Wait, what?

Why research contradictions when you know you have the truth? That makes no sense...

If you (not you, but the general "you") claim the bible is without error, and there are no contradictions, then how can you explain away obvious contradictions? And what does the "truth" have to do with anything? If I say, "The sky is blue" and you say, "The sky is purple", one of us is right, and the other is wrong. So how can two portions of the bible, which contradict one another, both be right? How do you find the "truth" when you are being told two different things? Doesn't logic tell you one must be right and the other is wrong? And thus, the bible is not without error?

I'll even point to a discrepancy:

John 19:17; Jesus carries his own cross
John 19 King James Bible

Mark 15:21-22; Simon carries Jesus' cross
Mark 15 King James Bible

I've got more, if you want them.

Homegirl 50 · Sep 26, 2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by deist

Are Christians averse to researching anything that would contradict the bible no matter how true they might find it to be upon reading ? Every thinking christian owes it to themselves to research every source of possible contradiction, if for no other reason than being able to refute the contradictory material. Here are two good sites that every christian of intelligence ought to look into: God vs. The Bible & The Age of Reason.

I find it hilarious when people make comments like this. It is assuming that Christians walk around afraid to question. Like we're afraid we are going to see something to shake our faith.
I am very sure of my faith and what I believe. I have no problem reading other things, I find some things funny and some things I explore a little further. With God all things are possible, so it all comes back to HIM. Perhaps people such as yourself should not be so afraid you might believe and open your heart to what God has for you.

Wangdoodle · Sep 26, 2007, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jillianleab

Wait, what?

Why research contradictions when you know you have the truth? That makes no sense...

If you (not you, but the general "you") claim the bible is without error, and there are no contradictions, then how can you explain away obvious contradictions? And what does the "truth" have to do with anything? If I say, "The sky is blue" and you say, "The sky is purple", one of us is right, and the other is wrong. So how can two portions of the bible, which contradict one another, both be right? How do you find the "truth" when you are being told two different things? Doesn't logic tell you one must be right and the other is wrong? And thus, the bible is not without error?

I'll even point to a discrepancy:

John 19:17; Jesus carries his own cross
John 19 King James Bible

Mark 15:21-22; Simon carries Jesus' cross
Mark 15 King James Bible

I've got more, if you want them.

You are only considering this as an ether/or. It is actually both. The verses do not say at what point Simon was forced into taking the cross. Nor do the verses mean that Jesus carried the cross the whole way. John omits the details of Simon being forced to carry the cross. That does not mean that he didn't. Mark does not say that Jesus carried the cross himself for a while. That does not mean that he didn't.

For example: What did I do today? I woke up and went to work. After work I had supper and now I am at my computer. This is all true.

Now I will tell you about my day again. I woke up, took a shower, had breakfast, and drove to work. After work I drove home, on the way home I stopped by the store and picked up some food for supper. This is all true as well.

These two stories do not contradict each other.

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