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Are christians averse to researching anything that would contradict the bible no matter how true they might find it to be upon reading ? Every thinking christian owes it to themselves to research every source of possible contradiction, if for no other reason than being able to refute the contradictory material. Here are two good sites that every christian of intelligence ought to look into: God vs. The Bible & The Age of Reason.

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Sep 30, 2007, 06:05 PM
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Tj3 disagrees: I went through the document and through your response. Rather than making demenaing remarks about those who disagree with you, your position would be better served by better validation of your claims.
You don't like my answer so you gave me a disagree? I won't argue with you, so you give me a disagree? I think you need to familiarize yourself with the site rules and how the agree/disagree function is supposed to be used. I'd post a link to it, but again, I don't want to do your homework for you.
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Sep 30, 2007, 06:13 PM
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You don't like my answer so you gave me a disagree? I won't argue with you, so you give me a disagree? I think you need to familiarize yourself with the site rules and how the agree/disagree function is supposed to be used. I'd post a link to it, but again, I don't want to do your homework for you.
I gave you a disagree because you have failed to properly validate your claims. I went to the link that you gave, as I pointed out, but you you appear to think that if I disagree with you, that I must not have "done my homework". That is exactly why I gave a "disagree".

My suggestion is to stop assuming that everyone must agree with you if they "do their homework", and be prepared to address the challenges.
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Sep 30, 2007, 06:19 PM
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I gave you a disagree because you have failed to properly validate your claims. I went to the link that you gave, as I pointed out, but you you appear to think that if I disagree with you, that I must not have "done my homework". That is exactly why I gave a "disagree".

My suggestion is to stop assuming that everyone must agree with you if they "do their homework", and be prepared to address the challenges.
Right, you gave me a disagree because you didn't like my answer. I never said if you did your homework you would agree with me, only that you would see where my claims came from. If that wasn't the answer you were looking for, well, tough.

And thank you, but I am free to pick my battles and decide which arguments I would like to participate in. This one simply isn't worth it to me because frankly, I don't care if you agree with me or not. So my suggestion to YOU is to stop making assumptions about other's intentions, and get over yourself when someone doesn't feel like engaging you in an argument.
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Sep 30, 2007, 06:23 PM
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Right, you gave me a disagree because you didn't like my answer. I never said if you did your homework you would agree with me, only that you would see where my claims came from. If that wasn't the answer you were looking for, well, tough.
I did my homework, and still disagreed with you because I did not find the basis for your claims to be adequate. You assumed that I did not do my homework. If you had additional validation, I would have been quite willing to reconsider. You chose not to provide additional validation, which is your choice - why not leave it at that?

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So my suggestion to YOU is to stop making assumptions about other's intentions, and get over yourself when someone doesn't feel like engaging you in an argument.
I don't care if you don't wish to engage, but as for making assumptions about others intentions, please note that goes both ways.
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Sep 30, 2007, 06:29 PM
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I did my homework, and still disagreed with you because I did not find the basis for your claims to be adequate. You assumed that I did not do my homework. If you had additional validation, I would have been quite willing to reconsider. You chose not to provide additional validation, which is your choice - why not leave it at that?



I don't care if you don't wish to engage, but as for making assumptions about others intentions, please note that goes both ways.
Right, my choice not to provide additional validation, which is when you decided to give me a "disagree". My this has gotten off topic. If you would like to continue discussing if your "disagree" was given appropriately, feel free to PM me.
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Sep 30, 2007, 06:36 PM
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Right, my choice not to provide additional validation, which is when you decided to give me a "disagree". My this has gotten off topic. If you would like to continue discussing if your "disagree" was given appropriately, feel free to PM me.
I disagreed when you suggested that I did not do my homeowrk and that your links were adequate. I stand by that disagreement.

I have no need to discuss further. It is your choice to provide additional backup or not. I am happy to leave it at that. I trust that you are also.
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Sep 30, 2007, 06:40 PM


Really no, the heathen and unsaved of the world will not accept the truth. It has always been that way, when Christ hisself was here there were many that would not accept him, and since there is really no "proof" I have ever seen that has showed evolution has having any valid proof, I would merely laught at someone wanting other Christian proof, find your own, then come back,
Post your bull about your beleifs in your area, don't come to a christian site with little but beliefs that are not proved and can't even be accept on faith as Christianity can.
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Sep 30, 2007, 06:41 PM
Jillian,
1)Bacteria flagellum needs it motory action to survive....Indeed there would be a change in function....WHICH MEANS, the bacteria would be immobile!

2) Its really sad that you came to the conclusion that am an idiot and I have no clue about Evolutionary fundamentals, if you knew me personaly u'd really be surprised! Jus saying
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Sep 30, 2007, 06:53 PM
Now.....
1) Evolution claims that life started via the combination of gases in the atmosphere. This occurred due to the harsh conditions that were present at the time, to be specific...lightning energized molecules in the atmosphere which in turn molecularly combined to form the now 20 amino acids that exist. Really hard to do that in a lab.....but somehow it occurred in nature.

2) These amino acids "miraculously" combined to form protein. Where the information was obtained to do this puzzles me. BUt anyway, they did. From here these proteins conformed to their 3 dimensional arrays accidentaly too.......to give you *drum roll*....simple prokaryotic cells with no organelles, no enclosed nucleic material, and suprisingly a flagella with full motory action so advanced we barely understand it on a nano scale!

3) Mitochondria, which is the power house of the cell, somehow existed on its own at this time (hahaha)...So what happened a prokarotic cell that needed food engulfed the mitochondria....(LOL)...But instead of the mitochondria being ingested by cell enzymes it somehow integrated with the cell! Wow....never happens these days...why? Ask you're so called scientists!LOL
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Sep 30, 2007, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
Really no, the heathen and unsaved of the world will not accept the truth. It has always been that way, when Christ hisself was here there were many that would not accept him, and since there is really no "proof" I have ever seen that has showed evolution has having any valid proof, I would merely laught at someone wanting other Christian proof, find your own, then come back,
Post your bull about your beleifs in your area, don't come to a christian site with little but beliefs that are not proved and can't even be accept on faith as Christianity can.
Chuck, you've been here a long time, you know this is a public forum and anyone with any belief system is permitted to comment anywhere they see fit. Beyond that, it's been suggested an atheism section should be made, but apparently that suggestion has fallen on deaf ears.
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