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Asked Jan 28, 2009, 07:53 AM — 20 Answers
What do people think of these?

Clarence Larkin Charts

Some of the charts can be accessed through the links near the bottom.

I really like them, and I think things like this are a really neat way of illustrating history and I wish more people did things like this.

(for those of us who like a slight bit of irony, I like the advertisement of "A College Education in one Volumn!")

I have no idea how well this relates to most people's view of christianity, do these charts fit well with your beliefs?

I'm honestly interested in your thoughts.

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Feb 25, 2009, 12:53 PM
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I did Joe but I only went through the charts and not the entire site and there is nothing in the charts.
Maybe you can help me.
The entire underlying premise of dispensationalism is to reject the existence of the early Catholic Church to validate its own claims as “church”. This is an example from the webpage referenced:

“…That means that after the "True Church" (the Bride of Christ) is taken out of the world the "False" or "Papal Church" (the bride of Antichrist) will remain, and the professing body of Christians (having the "form of Godliness without the power") left behind, will largely enter the Papal Church, and it will become the Universal Church. But this will continue for only a short time for the "Ten Kings" of the "Federated Kingdom, " finding their power curtailed by the "Papal System" will "hate The Whore, " and strip her of her gorgeous apparel, confiscate her wealth (eat her flesh) and burn her churches and cathedrals with fire” (from the webpage of the Preserved Words, page titled Dispensational Truth XXIV Babylon the Great)

"WOMAN" is seen at this stage riding the "Beast." For while the "Scarlet Clothed Woman" … for she represents the "PAPAL CHURCH" that comes into power … No doubt the "Papal Church" will play a prominent part in those proceedings. She will be rewarded by restoration to political power, and this union of Church and State, in which the Church will have control, is shown by the WOMAN riding the Beast, thus dominating it. But when the "Ten Kings" shall receive their Kingdoms and be CROWNED, they "shall hate the WHORE, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire." (Vs. 16.) (from the webpage of the Preserved Words, page titled Dispensational Truth XIX Babylon the Great)

See also, chart - 'The Church'

Consequently, what we see is a biased evaluation of those very same Scriptures the Catholic Church spent 2,000 years protecting. Distorted views such as these must, above all other truths, attack the authority of the Catholic faith, in spite of the fact that it was commissioned by Christ and promised to prevail against the gates of hell. These views must either claim the Catholic Church never existed or that it became apostate, in spite of Christ’s promise.

But, you’ve got to ask yourself, especially if you hold to sola scriptura, that if Scriptures show Christ selecting the princes of the new Church, commissioning the new Church, appointing a leader of a new Church, and protecting it for eternity with his promise, how then could it become apostate shortly after the Ascension? If not, then you’ve got to believe that truth is not absolute, that God meant for each of us to have a separate and subjective truth. An absolute truth won’t support multiple faiths in Christ. As there is only one cosmic Truth there can only be one correct faith, Catholic.

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Feb 25, 2009, 09:11 PM
Adam,
What I saw is clearly anti-Catholic.
Peace and kindness,
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Feb 25, 2009, 09:34 PM
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But, you’ve got to ask yourself, especially if you hold to sola scriptura, that if Scriptures show Christ selecting the princes of the new Church, commissioning the new Church, appointing a leader of a new Church, and protecting it for eternity with his promise, how then could it become apostate shortly after the Ascension? If not, then you’ve got to believe that truth is not absolute, that God meant for each of us to have a separate and subjective truth. An absolute truth won’t support multiple faiths in Christ. As there is only one cosmic Truth there can only be one correct faith, Catholic.
I don't see anything in scripture saying that any denomination was created by Jesus. It fact it seems to me that you are trying to do exactly what you complain about, put down anyone who is not a member of your denomination, and any denomination other than your own.

Further, this seems pretty much like a hijack of the thread also.
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Feb 25, 2009, 09:44 PM
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What do people think of these?

Clarence Larkin Charts

Some of the charts can be accessed through the links near the bottom.

I really like them, and I think things like this are a really neat way of illustrating history and I wish more people did things like this.

(for those of us who like a slight bit of irony, I like the advertisement of "A College Education in one Volumn!")

I have no idea how well this relates to most people's view of christianity, do these charts fit well with your beliefs?

I'm honestly interested in your thoughts.
I don't agree with everything in them, but I think that these type of charts can be useful in helping people who learn visually to better understand what scripture teaches.
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Feb 26, 2009, 06:01 AM
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Hi all, thanks for your thoughts so far, I have been reading with intrigue.

I have recently found a similar resource:

Welcome to biblediagrams.com

I wonder what your thoughts on this are? I find the diagrams a bit harder to understand, probably because of the extra detail. However they seem to be charting out the stories in the bible more literally, with less interpretation than the Larkin charts.

Any thoughts?

I like them, especially the 2000 year timeline.
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Feb 26, 2009, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Capuchin View Post
UPDATE!

Hi all, thanks for your thoughts so far, I have been reading with intrigue.

I have recently found a similar resource:

Welcome to biblediagrams.com

I wonder what your thoughts on this are? I find the diagrams a bit harder to understand, probably because of the extra detail. However they seem to be charting out the stories in the bible more literally, with less interpretation than the Larkin charts.

Any thoughts?

I like them, especially the 2000 year timeline.
Personally, I think that the previous ones are more effective. I idea of diagrams works best when the diagram in an of itself, with minimal explanation puts across a certain impression or idea of what is happening, which combined with a verbal presentation of the details is quite effective. The level of detail in some of these may be good for some people, but may limit their effectiveness for a wider audience.

The one value of a diagram like this might be to place events in the Bible on a timeline. For someone studying a specific book as part of their personal Bible study, an approach like this might provide some help in placing things in a chronological sequence.
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Feb 26, 2009, 04:03 PM
Capuchin,
The time line of events is interesting.
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Feb 27, 2009, 08:52 AM
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I like them, especially the 2000 year timeline.
I found them interesting also. There are a few things I disagree with. One example is that the chart shows the Gospels being written in an order different from Catholic Tradition. Another example is where the author chose to start the Western Popes. There are more issues, but thus far nothing I wouldn't expect.


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Feb 27, 2009, 08:24 PM
JoeT777
Same here.
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Feb 24, 2012, 07:29 PM
I think theyr great for studys along with dake charts, I find the Doc Gosey

http://clearvisionbiblestudies.com/gosey/index.html

chart a lot easier to understant and they have books to help.
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