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the fact is that we were born in sin. but the thing is that he loved us even before we loved him. so while you continue to doubt and mock his followers he still loves you and longs for a relationship you.
He loved us even before we loved him. He knew us before we were born, so I can't understand why we were born in sin.
I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just trying to understand why you believe it is a fact, that we were born in sin.
He loved us even before we loved him. He knew us before we were born, so I can't understand why we were born in sin.
I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just trying to understand why you believe it is a fact, that we were born in sin.
Because if Christians aren't made to believe they are born wretched, worthless, and unworthy of heaven, it would put churches out of business, that's why!
Seriously, I think it has to do with inherited sin from Adam & Eve. Are you of the opinion that humans are NOT born of sin? You'd be in the minority of Christians that I know. Unless I have you confused with someone else. You ARE a believer, right Donna?
ok donna i could definitely see how you could have a hard time beleiving or seeing that we are born in sin. ti just basically boils down to what you believe. since i beleive in the bible, i believe that when adam ate the fruit that God specifically told him not to, this is when sin enter the world. does that help?
I to believe that sin started with Adam, but why does that mean that a baby is born in sin? God said to Eve, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing," and to Adam, "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life."
lobrobster, Yes it is true, I do not believe that humans are born in sin. And yes, I am very much a believer. Jesus is the only way to heaven. I also believe that the Bible is the only true word of God, which makes it hard for me to believe that we are born in sin. Just wondering where you read this in God's word?
romans 5:12- the rest of the chapter. a good example of this is, its pretty crazy but my little sister who is only two, knows how to lie and not tell the truth. i mean no one had to teach her how to do it, she already has the nature of sin to do it
ok donna i could definitely see how you could have a hard time beleiving or seeing that we are born in sin. ti just basically boils down to what you believe. since i beleive in the bible, i believe that when adam ate the fruit that God specifically told him not to, this is when sin enter the world. does that help?
Does this mean that a baby will go to Hell if he dies in infancy?
I to believe that sin started with Adam, but why does that mean that a baby is born in sin? God said to Eve, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing," and to Adam, "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life."
lobrobster, Yes it is true, I do not believe that humans are born in sin. And yes, I am very much a believer. Jesus is the only way to heaven. I also believe that the Bible is the only true word of God, which makes it hard for me to believe that we are born in sin. Just wondering where you read this in God's word?
I've never read the bible, but am in the process of searching for which one to buy and read (if you have any suggestions on which bible I should get, I'd be grateful). But for now, I'm being 'coached' on the bible and the ways of Christian belief. I'm trying to learn more about 'faith' in general. Someone whom I respect very much as being not only a good Christian, but also very knowledgeable about the bible, insists we are all born of sin. We all inherit the original sin of Adam & Eve. Do you interpret the bible differently Donna? Are you saying that we've already paid the price for original sin by toiling for our food and painful childbirth?
I do not beleive in god but i do good everyday or i like to think so so i bring my children up with manners and they are very loving.
My parents are foster carers and i ofter have there children thinking of fostering myself.
I have eldery neighbours who i often help with shopping ect.
And i do not drink or gamble i know i do good in my life nad do not need some god to tell me that.
Maybe we should see the other side of the question, Can a christian do bad?? The answer still comes up yes! And unlike the originalquestion, there is plenty of proof of that.
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Can a non-Christian truly do good in the sight of God? Why or why not?
As humans we have different ideas, and interpretations, and points of view. It seems this is a question for God, and speculating, and giving opinions, is a nice debate, but its the God you believe in, that has the final say. Just my opinion. Being of no particular religion, and loyal to no bible, with all due respect to those that are, I could not follow any thing man has put forth, no matter where they say it comes from, I can try to be good, as I can be, today, here and now, and trust the God that I understand knows that. I also believe, just me, that segregating ones self, and cursing all other who do not agree, is wrong in the eyes of the Creator, as there is only one, God, and one race, human, and we should be all working together and sharing, and congregating, not fighting wars against each other, in the name of your God or mine. That's ludichrist, and entirely mans doing. So tolerance, respect, and love, is all we should be pontificating. Not cursing one another because of what book you read from, or what day you deem is holy. So close your minds to all, but your way, if you must, but it will be up to OUR maker to decide, whether your right or not, I choose to listen, and then decide, because that's what I choose to do with MY God given choice. Whatever your decision, I ain't mad atcha. I pray for you, just as you pray for me, seems thats a good thing. Isn't it?
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