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No I don't think you are pinning me down or doing it harshly. You actually are helping me sort through my own beleifs.
I think the reason that I don't hit the panic button when someone tells me they don't believe in God, is because, in my heart I know that God is a loving God and this person standing in front of me, who I do love as my brother or sister, will someday open their hearts to God.
It does make me sad that their life could be so much easier having God's love in it. Does that mean my life goes better because I beleive. No, it means that having Gods' love during the difficult time carries me through time in and time out (when I remember to give it all to him)
I guess my beleif is that Our Loving Father would never damn someone who is a good person but has yet to accept God in their hearts. I beleive that they will before the pass on and if they don't I do believe in purgatory, where they will be given a chance to love and serve the Lord and they will be able to see things differently. That is my belief.
Grant you, the Catholic Church would not agree with me, my Mom would put me on indefinite time out and there are a couple of nuns heading my way with huge yardsticks
So who do I think will be thrown away from God? - Rapist, Murders, molesters who have not repented. Those that evil has penetrated them so much, the only thing that remains is evil.
No, I do not pick and choose what to believe in the Catholic Church. I love my religion as it is what gives me the vision to see God. But I also realize, the Church consist of humans, who are fallable. So I pray on all things and give great thought to all things (when I think) and be sure in my heart that I am in line with God's Will.
Thank you for this disccussion - you are helping me find my way a little more. Truly.
Please consider and be guided in that by what I have said above on that matter.
Anyone who would be guided by something you said, should have their head examined. I have nothing against those with faith, but you take intolerance to a new level. You wear your ignorance on your sleeve as though it were something to be proud of.
Yet, something puzzles me:
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God's Word is indeed *infallible*. It's man's mis-interpretation and re-interpretation of it that I am concerned about.
I think we've not answered the original question, but simply defined that man is man... he is capable of good or bad, no matter what his spiritual state may be.
Can a non-Christian truly do good in the sight of God?
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Why or why not?
2 Corinthians 5:10 "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receieve the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."
Revelation 20:12 "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those books, according to their works."
There are many other verses that say we will ALL, every one of us, will be judged based upon our works whether they are good or bad. Every one includes the saved and the unsaved. Since we will all be judged upon the good and the bad we did while we are living, it, in my mind, is very safe to say the unsaved will be judged upon the good they did as well. That would mean they can do good in God's eyes.
Can a non-Christian truly do good in the sight of God? Why or why not?
Actually , none of us are truly good. In the Bible it states that the only one who can be truly called good is God. We are not good enough , not Christians , or otherwise.
We are all to do our best to follow Christ's example, but we will always fall short.
That is why Jesus died for us . He died to take our short comings (sins) upon himself , so that we could be forgiven and cleansed and live with him in Heaven when we pass away.
It is about being saved.
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Actually , none of us are truly good. In the Bible it states that the only one who can be truly called good is God. We are not good enough , not Christians , or otherwise.
We are all to do our best to follow Christ's example, but we will always fall short.
That is why Jesus died for us . He died to take our short comings (sins) upon himself , so that we could be forgiven and cleansed and live with him in Heaven when we pass away.
It is about being saved.
You are exactly right! Jesus was/is without sin, we are not. And it IS about being Saved. That should be the goal of every human being on this planet -- to be able to take care of their soul and spirit once they are gone from this physical world because the world of Spirit, in Heaven, is eternal and forever, unlike this one where your life is truly very short by comparison. If one does not look after their own soul to want only the very best for it, who else will care enough to help them? Truly, no one else, except Jesus! And it makes Him very happy when people will accept Him as their Lord and Savior, thereby, assuring their Salvation in the Afterlife.
I agree our time on earth is very short, and as humans we can at least do our best to do what's right, for ourselves and others. Falling short, is no reason not to keep trying.
of course when a man or woman does good in his or her own eyes it is good, but when God sees it is not good because no matter how many "good deeds" we do, the fact is that we were born in sin. but the thing is that he loved us even before we loved him. so while you continue to doubt and mock his followers he still loves you and longs for a relationship you.
I agree that our good deeds is no where near good enough to save ourselves. We most definitely need Jesus for that salvation. And yes, the Bible does say that none is good but God, but this does not imply that we cannot do good. We most definitely can do good...not only what we as imperfect humans consider as good, but what God sees as good.
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