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I repeatedly come across the argument that we shouldn't judge.
If we follow that strict reasoning, wouldn't that make being a judge in a court of law a sin
for a Christian? After all, a judge's job is to judge-isn't it?
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye" (Matthew 7:1-5)
We have to look and take the entire bible as one context, not merely look at one verse,
We see in the Old Testement God setting up judges over us.
And we also see that as a Chrsitian if someone does wrong against us, we are to go to them, go to them with witnesses and in the end if they don't correct the wrong we are to take them in front of the entire church. Who would review the complaint and take action.
The church for the Christian was suppose to be taking care of the issue.
So in fact we do judge facts, we do call our brothers and sisters into correction for thier actions.
What we can not do is try to decide thier motives or salvation of others, Also Christ was always direct that he addressed a heavenly kingdom, not a earthly one.
And the bible also tells us that God ordains and sets the rulers over us, which judges would be part of that.
It is like with Paul and the area for women to be quiet, but yet we know as a fact that there were women leaders in the early church. One has to temper any one verse with all the other verses and get a idea of the overall goal.
Simply put, we all jugde. There isnt a person in the board, or on this earth who hasnt judged someone a time or two.
This very thread is judging judges who judge. Im not trying to sound cute, its just a fact. You cant avoid sin. Thank God for Jesus.
I agree with everything you said except the part that I am judging the judges and sinning by asking this rhetorical question for the sake of discussion. Please notice that I said nothing pro or con about the judges. The scripture I posted is one that others use to support the idea that one should never opine about another person's conduct. That of course isn't a biblical concept and is a misinterpretation of what the scripture means.
I agree with everything you said except the part that I am judging the judges and sinning by asking this rhetorical question for the sake of discussion. Please notice that I said nothing pro or con about the judges. The scripture I posted is one that others use to support the idea that one should never opine about another person's conduct. That of course isn't a biblical concept and is a misinterpretation of what the scripture means.
I repeatedly come across the argument that we shouldn't judge.
If we follow that strict reasoning, wouldn't that make being a judge in a court of law a sin
for a Christian? After all, a judge's job is to judge-isn't it?
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye" (Matthew 7:1-5)
In the Bible God appointed judges, when the Hebrews were lost in the desert, to keep orderly law. If it has something to do with upholding justice and righteousness then it's okay. Otherwise there would be no courthouse or judges today. What the Bible means is that you are not to judge people like for instance, "She is such a tramp! Did you see how he or she was flirting in front of their dates." Like that for instance. I hope this makes sense to you. Because I honestly tried to explain at my best.
The answer is NO. Being a judge is about laws that are here in the land. Being a judge here on earth is no sin. We are to obey the laws of the land. Judges are appointed here on earth. Judges are given that right to judge to uphold justice. God has appointed everyone of these people. Kings, judges, leaders.
In the Bible God appointed judges, when the Hebrews were lost in the desert, to keep orderly law. If it has something to do with upholding justice and righteousness then it's okay. Otherwise there would be no courthouse or judges today. What the Bible means is that you are not to judge people like for instance, "She is such a tramp! Did you see how he or she was flirting in front of their dates." Like that for instance. I hope this makes sense to you. Because I honestly tried to explain at my best.
I understand. What you are saying is that we shouldn't misjudge people.
Hmm.. what's the alternative? How do we deal with the miscreants of society?
Are you not judging these people you speak of by calling them "miscreants"? Who is to say WHO is the miscreant and who is not?
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If it has something to do with upholding justice and righteousness then it's okay. Otherwise there would be no courthouse or judges today.
Is that so? And who is the judge of what is justice and what is righteous? When there was a law against prayer and those who prayed were judged and sentanced to death, were the judges justified?
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