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I hear some Christians say that God's Law or the 10 Commandments were nailed to the cross. Some say that we need to focus on Christ and stop focusing on the rules or the laws or the Old Testament. I believe that the laws of sacrificial offerings and animal sacrifices were nailed to the cross at the time of Christ's death but that we are still bound by the moral Laws or the 10 Commandments. I mean, is Thou shalt not steal one of the Laws that was nailed to the cross? What do you think?
ActionJackson agrees: Right on the money. However, the discussion is fruitful if it clears up the matter in someone's mind.
Just to clarify: I did not say what I said regarding you asking or discussing it, I said it really in reference to the ones that I've seen more than once staunchly insisting, as Christians, that we are NOT under the law...any of them...which to me is a bit silly in that agreed, we are not under the law like the Jews were back then but we're still obligated to many of them.
I don't feel obligated to refrain from cutting my sideburns but I am certainly obligated to not lie, kill someone, commit adultery, etc.
It is interesting that this post come up because I had a similiar disucssion about the commandment of keeping the Sabbath day holy. My daughters's boyfriend says that we don't need to obey that one becuase it was only written once?? This is what his church preaches. IS this common in other churches today?
I typed too fast in my response to you, Lacey. I wanted to say, no, it is not common in the churches I am familar with. Am sorry I left out the vital word, "not".
Just to clarify: I did not say what I said regarding you asking or discussing it, I said it really in reference to the ones that I've seen more than once staunchly insisting, as Christians, that we are NOT under the law...any of them...which to me is a bit silly in that agreed, we are not under the law like the Jews were back then but we're still obligated to many of them. I don't feel obligated to refrain from cutting my sideburns but I am certainly obligated to not lie, kill someone, commit adultery, etc.
Exactly. We are no longer under the laws of the Levitical priesthood called the laws of sacrifice and offerings as Jesus Christ was the ultimate Sacrifice and the final Offering. However, the Levitical priesthood affected not only the Jews (tribe of Judah) but all twelve tribes of Israel. Many people make the mistake of using the term "Jew" in reference to the Israelites. Someone of the tribe of Judah was an Israelite but not all Israelites were of the tribe of Judah. Anyway, back to the main subject. We are not under the sacrificial laws but we are all bound by the moral Laws which are summarized in the 10 Commandments.
It is interesting that this post come up because I had a similiar disucssion about the commandment of keeping the Sabbath day holy. My daughters's boyfriend says that we don't need to obey that one becuase it was only written once?? This is what his church preaches. IS this common in other churches today?
The Fourth Commandment to "keep the Sabbath holy" is still very valid for today. It is a Commandment by God. Even God, Himself, rested on the 7th day. God made an example of Himself. There are some good reasons why we should keep the 4th Commandment. One, it gives us an opportunity to rest our bodies. We live in a fast food world where we are always on the move and we are always moving fast. Our bodies need the rest to rejuvenate. Also, it's hard to worship God and focus on Him when we are always working or shopping or playing or preparing to do one of the above. The 7th day rest allows us to open our Bibles and read God's Word and to pray. I take several small naps when I observe the Sabbath.
Is it common to ignore the Sabbath day of rest in other churches? I believe, unfortunately, that it is pretty common. There are a few churches that do keep and observe the Sabbath though. Though I am not a Seventh Day Adventist, I must give a lot of credit to this Church for not only do they take the Sabbath day seriously, they know what day it actually falls on...the 7th day or Saturday. To learn more about what is required of a Christian concerning the Sabbath, check out a 7th Day Adventist site.
You don't have to persuade me Action. I do practice the Sabbath day. The Latterday Saints also preach to keep the Sabbath Day Holy. The discussion came about after my daughter said she was going to a movie and I reminded her of our (and her previous) beliefs that going to the movies was not in keeping with the Sabbath. That is when she said that her boyfriend's church ( that she is thinking of joining) said that that commandment was only written once so it wasn't binding today. I expressed that we don't get to choose which commandments to obey but should try to live them all.
Christians aren't bound to the Law as much that they are to use the Ten Commandments as a guide for living. They were given to Moses in the Old Testament.
The Ten Commandments are "thou shalt not"s--negatives. In the New Testament, Jesus turned them into positives and summed them up into only two: Love God and love your neighbor. (The Ten Commandments have two sections: how to live a good life as regards God and how to live a good life as regards one's neighbor.)
As for the INRI -- it's an acronym of the Latin phrase IESVS NAZARENVS REX IVDAEORVM [Jesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum] which translates to English as: "Jesus the Nazarene, the King of the Jews". The Latin word for king is "rex", There's no "J" in Latin. The letter "I" was used instead. There was no "U" either. "V" was used instead. "Iudaeorum" is the possessive, "of the Jews".
(Many thanks to Miss Wooster and 3 years of high school Latin!)
DOn't agree with you wondergirl unless by "bound" you mean forced. WE are not forced to do anything in this life. WE have our agency to choose good or evil. But if you mean the commandments are just a suggestion I strongly disagree. THe commandments were given to us by a loving Heavenly Father as a means to return to him. These are the atributes that HE and Christ have and we should strive to have those same qualities ourselves. It is a way to better ourselves and keep us safe from sin.
God gave us Jesus, not the Ten Commandments, as the way to return to Him. The Commandments must be obeyed perfectly if they are our means to salvation. The OT says this loud and clear. Only Jesus has ever obeyed them perfectly.
As I said, the Commandments are a guide for our lives, and not a way to salvation.
You don't have to persuade me Action. I do practice the Sabbath day. The Latterday Saints also preach to keep the Sabbath Day Holy. The discussion came about after my daughter said she was going to a movie and I reminded her of our (and her previous) beliefs that going to the movies was not in keeping with the Sabbath. That is when she said that her boyfriend's church ( that she is thinking of joining) said that that commandment was only written once so it wasn't binding today. I expressed that we don't get to choose which commandments to obey but should try to live them all.
I see. You're right, we can't pick just those parts of Scripture that mesh with our personal wants and discard the parts of the Bible that are inconvenient. Actually, there are a lot of Sabbath keepers that don't really know what is required on the Sabbath day. No buying or selling or working or cooking. It is a strict day of rest. I will admit that I fall short of keeping a perfect Sabbath. I battle with myself all the time. Sometimes I will do well then I fall. The problem I have is that I don't know a single individual in my new environment who keeps a Sabbath...not even a little bit. I believe that fellowship with like-minded people adds strength to the whole. Anyway, there are New Testament verses that describe Jesus and the Apostles observing the Sabbath day.
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