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  • Aug 21, 2010, 07:18 PM
    smelyalatab03
    I'm atheist but I want to know if it would be OK to get rosary beads on my ankle ?
    I want to get a "religious tattoo" rosary beads on my ankle like nicole richie but I am atheist so I don't want people thinking I got all religious
  • Aug 21, 2010, 07:36 PM
    JudyKayTee

    Why would a professed atheist get a rosary tattoo of any sort?
  • Aug 21, 2010, 07:42 PM
    smelyalatab03

    My grandmother passed away and & she was religious .
  • Aug 21, 2010, 07:43 PM
    Wondergirl

    Be a little more original than Nicole Richie! Are you that impressionable? And yeah, like JudyKayTee said, why would an atheist get a religious tattoo anywhere on her body?
  • Aug 22, 2010, 12:17 AM
    Clough
    Hi, smelyalatab03!

    Also, please remember that a tattoo is something permanent and that it's very possible for people to assume you are a certain way because of something tattooed on your skin.

    Thanks!
  • Aug 26, 2010, 07:46 PM
    Dysenchanted

    Well I would say that if you're worried about what people would think of an atheist getting a "religious" tattoo you might want to consider one thing: If a person knows you well enough to know you're an atheist then they'd probably know you well enough for you to feel comfortable explaining it's meaning.

    As for not wanting to be mistaken for a non-atheist... well, this is a permanent mark on your body and it depends how seriously atheistic you are. I myself am a Christian and wouldn't think of getting say, a pentagram tattooed on me, even if it was a reminder of something.

    So I guess I'd say, if it bothers you, find something else that reminds you of your grandmother. Hope this helped :)
  • Aug 26, 2010, 07:57 PM
    Kitkat22

    Why would you want to be like Nicole Richie?
  • Aug 28, 2010, 09:27 PM
    kp2171
    Get inked with whatever you want.

    How many people go to church once every seven days who aren't living the life they are called to live by their faith?

    Just expect to be judged. It's a part of life. Certainly a part of having a tat that's public.

    So...

    I'm not going to tell you to not honor your gma. I will tell you that you don't get to choose this ink and then complain when others ask you about it. You know up front there might be questions. Fine. If you cannot handle this then you willingly stepping into moving traffic. That's your fault.

    Expect to be asked. If you aren't comfortable with saying "its to honor my grandmother" then you probably need to rethink.
  • Aug 28, 2010, 10:30 PM
    Kitkat22

    If you are an atheist why in the world would you want to get a religious tattoo?

    To me that is a mockery of what your grandmother believed in.
    Why not send a donation to her Church.
  • Aug 28, 2010, 11:01 PM
    kp2171
    I hope you first confront those in your church who are a "mockery" of their faith.

    Who find time to dress up on sabbath but have no time to slum down to help those in need the other six days. Who sample the bible for those passages and interpretations in their favor and neglect the rest out of convenience and comfort.

    Honoring a good woman isn't a mockery.

    Ghandhi was not christian. But his lifelong struggle of confrontive nonviolence to seek justice is step in step with Christ's teachings. What one calls oneself has little to do with what is in line with gospel teachings.

    We cling to those things we hold true. So... if her getting a tattoo to honor a woman who was christian is a mockery... well then judge me too.

    I was baptised before I knew what it meant. It was an action that was not in synch with my mental state. Was that a mockery?

    Maybe its because my grandfather was my father figure and so important to me... I just don't get how a person can be so damn judged based on a tattoo to honor a loved one.

    She is dishonoring her grandmother?

    Bullsh#t

    She is dishonoring YOUR image of her grandmother and what you believed she believed. You are uncomfortable with the idea that she could chose to honor her grandmother, but not follow in her faith.

    I'm sorry.

    If that's worth Judgement... I don't care to get any of that faith on me.

    Christ spent his ministry with the outcast and the destitute... the sinners and the nonbelieving.

    To the OP'er... honor your grandmother however you wish and screw what others think of you.

    You knew her. You loved her. Remember her as you need to remember her.

    I suspect few will challenge you about the religious overtones. And to those that do, tell them that it is in honor of a woman who loved you dearly.

    If that doesn't explain your action... I'm afraid I have nothing else to offer such people.
  • Aug 28, 2010, 11:03 PM
    Kitkat22
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kp2171 View Post
    i hope you first confront those in your chuch who are a "mockery" of their faith.

    who find time to dress up on sabbath but have no time to slum down to help those in need the other six days. who sample the bible for those passages and interpretations in their favor and neglect the rest out of convenience and comfort.

    honoring a good woman isnt a mockery.

    ghandhi was not christian. but his lifelong struggle of confrontive nonviolence to seek justice is step in step with Christ's teachings. what one calls oneself has little to do with what is in line with gospel teachings.

    we cling to those things we hold true. so... if her getting a tattoo to honor a woman who was christian is a mockery... well then judge me too.

    i was baptised before i knew what it meant. it was an action that was not in synch with my mental state. was that a mockery?

    maybe its because my grandfather was my father figure and so important to me... i just dont get how a person can be so damn judged based on a tattoo to honor a loved one.

    she is dishonoring her grandmother?

    bullsh#t

    she is dishonoring YOUR image of her grandmother and what you believed she believed. you are uncomfortable with the idea that she could chose to honor her grandmother, but not follow in her faith.

    im sorry.

    if thats worth Judgement... i dont care to get any of that faith on me.

    Christ spent his ministry with the outcast and the destitute... the sinners and the nonbelieving.

    to the OP'er... honor your grandmother however you wish and screw what others think of you.

    you knew her. you loved her. remember her as you need to remember her.

    i suspect few will challenge you about the religious overtones. and to those that do, tell them that it is in honor of a woman who loved you dearly.

    if that doesnt explain your action... im afraid i have nothing else to offer such people.

    Kp this isn't about the other members in the Church, this is about her grandmother. You know I don't like to argue:rolleyes:
  • Aug 28, 2010, 11:25 PM
    kp2171
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Kitkat22 View Post
    Kp this isn't about the other members in the Church, this is about her grandmother. You know I don't like to argue:rolleyes:

    Yep. It is about her connection to her grandmother. All other christians be damned... not literally.

    And you should know by now my arguments aren't based on your comfort zone. If it hits me wrong, ill fire a volley back and see what sticks. Maybe learn something along the way.


    So... if the OPer was a christian and believed in her grandmother's faith, this wouldn't be a mockery, right?

    It might be questionable, but not a mockery.

    ...

    So... when does her honoring her grandmother become a mockery?

    Would attending a christian funeral service while not a christian be a mockery?

    Doesn't that honor the deceased who believed in a faith one may not believe in?

    Would praying to a god you aren't sure exists be a mockery?

    ...

    I could go on and on but I won't.

    ...

    Life is too short lived and we are too long gone to live angry or frustrated.

    If the OP'er wants something to remember a good woman, fine. There are likely social ramifications and questions to follow.

    Christ never made a decision based on the popularity of his action.

    You don't have to believe in him or his teachings. Fine. Not my fight to fight.

    ...

    I've known people who took vows before god and family and friends who cheated.

    They were the mockery of the faith.

    The nonbeliever who wears a symbol of a faith as a rememberence of a loved one... I've no time to waste judging them.

    People who wear a cross as a fashion trend without faith might annoy me... but really... if temporal and physical things get my panties in a wad, well, I'm just looking for a fight.

    The rosary is a symbol tied to faith. It is not faith itself.

    The cross is a remembrance of a sacrificial act... not the act itself.

    When any christian can find me ONE THING that in physical form defines the absolute calling of christ... well, then this thread is done.

    Because if anything tangible of this earth doesn't perfectly exemplify christ... then nothing here really matches up. Its just stuff.

    So a tattoo that remembers a good woman simply should not send anyone into a spin.

    In theory.
  • Aug 28, 2010, 11:31 PM
    Kitkat22
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kp2171 View Post
    yep. it is about her connection to her grandmother. all other christians be damned... not litterally.


    so... if the OPer was a christian and believed in her grandmother's faith, this wouldnt be a mockery, right?

    it might be questionable, but not a mockery.

    ...

    so... when does her honoring her grandmother become a mockery?

    would attending a christian funeral service while not a christian be a mockery?

    doesnt that honor the deceased who believed in a faith one may not believe in?

    would praying to a god you arent sure exists be a mockery?

    ...

    i could go on and on but i wont.

    ...

    life is too short lived and we are too long gone to live angry or frustrated.

    if the OP'er wants something to remember a good woman, fine. there are likely social ramifications and questions to follow.

    christ never made a decision based on the popularity of his action.

    you dont have to belive in him or his teachings. fine. not my fight to fight.

    ...

    ive known people who took vows before god and family and friends who cheated.

    they were the mockery of the faith.

    the nonbeliever who wears a symbol of a faith as a rememberence of a loved one... ive no time to waste judging them.

    people who wear a cross as a fashion trend without faith might annoy me... but really... if temporal and physical things get my panties in a wad, well, im just looking for a fight.

    the rosary is a symbol tied to faith. it is not faith itself.

    the cross is a rememberance of a sacrificial act... not the act itself.

    when any christian can find me ONE THING that in physical form defines the absolute calling of christ... well, then this thread is done.

    because if anything tangible of this earth doesnt perfectly exemplify christ... then nothing here really matches up. its just stuff.

    so a tattoo that remembers a good woman simply should not send anyone into a spin.

    in theory.

    Okay!
  • Aug 28, 2010, 11:35 PM
    kp2171
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Kitkat22 View Post
    Okay!

    k.

    I r tired.

    Done jousting about pigment placed under a person's skin.
  • Aug 28, 2010, 11:37 PM
    Kitkat22
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kp2171 View Post
    k.

    i r tired.

    done jousting about pigment placed under a person's skin.

    Yeah.. It's really no big deal.
  • Aug 29, 2010, 07:30 AM
    JudyKayTee

    I'm throwing my middle of the road two cents in - and, yes, I was raised Catholic. I have not been a practicing Catholic in years (I was married in the Church and was divorced years ago and remarried) and this is a source of (almost) anguish to my Grandmother - and I love her dearly. She truly believes I am locking myself out of Heaven with my own two hands. I try not to rub her face in my particular beliefs.

    If/when she passes if I choose to tattoo a rosary on my ankle it would be an additional slap in her face - I would tattoo a symbol of a religion I don't believe in, a refusal to practice HER religion already an upset to her, on my ankle in her memory?

    Oh - and I asked her. That's what she said. And then she laughed and shook her head. (I love my Grandmother who loves me no matter what but doesn't, as she put it, "Get this.")

    Anyway, I don't know about the rosary but I do know that if you get a Star of David tattoo and you are NOT Jewish it is a slap in the face to Jews. Is that a mockery? I don't really know.

    This has nothing to do with tattoos and the Jewish faith. That's another subject.

    It would appear to me that some other symbol honoring the Grandmother would be more appropriate BUT, again, it's a free country. I think OP is making light of a religion his Grandmother obviously believed in - but that's OP's choice and bickering back and forth isn't going to change his/her mind.

    Of course, with a rosary tattoo people will ask and OP can get to express his religious beliefs. Maybe that's the purpose of the tattoo.
  • Aug 30, 2010, 11:20 AM
    this8384
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smelyalatab03 View Post
    i want to get a "religious tattoo" rosary beads on my ankle like nicole richie but i am atheist so i dont want people thinking i got all religious

    As someone else suggested, it would be similar to a Christian getting a pentagram or "666" tattooed on them just to remember someone - that doesn't make sense to do so.

    I think a better bet would be to get her name or maybe her portrait. I agree with Judy and KitKat - I don't feel it would be particularly respectful to your grandmother to have something she valued but you don't believe in placed on your body to "honor" her. That would be like me tattooing my husband's ex-wife's name on my body to prove to my stepchildren I love them.

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