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Old May 16, 2007, 02:22 PM
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where did matter come from?

I have a general question to ask.
I'm a big fan of the big bang theory, the general theory that everything in the universe today was in one hot and dense state, there was an explosion and subsequently matter spread out and the universe is expanding today but i was wondering where the matter came from in the first place? also if you age the universe on the idea of the big bang, going back in time, this matter must have come from somewhere which means that the universe is older than first thought surely. This may sound a little confusing, if anyone can help shed light.

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Old May 16, 2007, 02:31 PM   #2  
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How's this for a start: Big Bang
You may of already seen it.
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Old May 16, 2007, 07:00 PM   #3  
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lets say the matter came from energy (E=mc^2 you know). when the universe was very small it was too dense for any matter to condense from the energy.
now you'll be wondering where the energy came from...this much can only be philosophy.
my personal favorite theory is that the single equation which describes the exact behavior of the universe is so beautiful that its beauty alone compelled the universe into existence. my second favorite theory is that the energy was the result of a previous universe's "big crunch". if the density of the universe is great enough such that gravity eventually wins against expansion all the matter of the universe will ultimately find itself being pulled back together into a single point and then into pure energy again. at the point where this becomes a singularity all information that was in the old universe is lost. the old universe's big crunch leads directly to a new universe's big bang. but since the singularity causes all information to be lost we can never know anything about the previous universe, including its existence.
i'm sure others will provide similarly unprovable theories since thats all that can exist by definition.
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Old May 16, 2007, 09:25 PM   #4  
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Brane collision! Wooo!

You have to remember that energy has always existed, because it can not be created or destroyed. Whether it always existed on this plane of existance, we don't know. Matter is formed from energy when conditions are right. (this happens all the time to light).
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Old May 17, 2007, 03:03 AM   #5  
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My vote is that it came from the One who created it

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So, if the one who created it didn't have a creator... we still have the same problem Might as well skip out the middle man... Occam's Razor and all that.
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Thus the problem with any idea of big bang or any teaching that deals with any concept that does not involve a supreme being, A god, who is all powerful and exists not in any one realm of reality or time or space. But a powerful force that has no beginning or end.

If matter was here to bang together, it had to be formed, what caused the energy that made this bang happen. There is no answer to it, since without a belief in a "god" there is no answer that works in science.
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"The energy was always there" is significantly more believable and scientific than "it was created by a God who was always there"

I don't really see the problem you are referring to, Chuck. It works fine in science.
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I contend that my point still stands, questions of anything outside the universe or about its origin can never be more than philosophy. Neither that god created the energy nor that it was always there is more helpful in understanding our current situation than the other since, by definition, anything that occurs outside the universe is not visible to those of us inside it.
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I agree with you asterisk. It is completely philosophical.
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