http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk262/pakpakman/before-1.jpg


http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/8918/betweeneb5.jpg


http://depig.forumup.com/images/avatars/depig/1132981807484d92a09a4dc.jpg

Doesn't look like it. The jaw is different, and so are a few other features. It doesn't appear to be the same person.

The bottom two are definately the same person.

the nose on the 1st and 3rd guy look the same.
the lips on the 1st and 2nd guy look the same.
Lips are yummy, looks like my husbands lips.

Bushg, did you get sidetracked? ;)

lol...kinda..I'm just saying.

His lips are yummy, and love his brown eyes, yummy too. Wait, I'm married, bad Alty! ;)

I really don't think that all three pictures are of the same guy though, just doesn't look right.

They're all the same person, and Celina keeps posting pics from the depig.forumup forum where everyone raves about benzylarbutin.

This can easy be photoshopped.

Stop giving people false hope and taking advantage.

Ask the suppliers to explain the exact chemical that they call 'benzyl arbutin'!

Ladies, please dont be so easily fooled!

This can easy be photoshopped.

Stop giving people false hope and taking advantage.

Ask the suppliers to explain the exact chemical that they call 'benzyl arbutin'!

Ladies, please dont be so easily fooled!
No, they're not photoshopped. I know because I'm a professional graphic designer. So, don't get me wrong. And NO, HERBALINN IS NOT A SCAM!! The guy in the picture told us his lightening journey since he started until now.

And no, I'm not working with HerbalInn. As you can see, I'm a quite well-known member on this forum. I've used DS under people's recommendations here and now I'm moving to benzylarbutin.

Celina, just ignore people who are telling that HerbalInn is a scam. They definitely have no moral respect. Besides, it doesn't benefit us nor costing us. You have proved they're wrong and that's it ;)

BTW Celina, have you asked for PakMan's permission before posting his pics on this forum? :o

No, they're not photoshopped. I know because I'm a professional graphic designer. So, don't get me wrong. And NO, HERBALINN IS NOT A SCAM!! The guy in the picture told us his lightening journey since he started until now.

And no, I'm not working with HerbalInn. As you can see, I'm a quite well-known member on this forum. I've used DS under people's recommendations here and now I'm moving to benzylarbutin.

Celina, just ignore people who are telling that HerbalInn is a scam. They definitely have no moral respect. Besides, it doesn't benefit us nor costing us. You have proved they're wrong and that's it ;)

BTW Celina, have you asked for PakMan's permission before posting his pics on this forum? :o

1. Send me a photograph and let me prove it can be photoshoped!!! Maybe the photo is not fake, but it does not prove the results are form the fake benzyl arbutin.

2. I have been following these and other scammers on several forums. They operate in groups and use multiple identities!

3. If you say herbalinn are not scammers, why dont you supply us with the exact details of the chemical it supposedly is!

1. Send me a photograph and let me prove it can be photoshoped!!! Maybe the photo is not fake, but it does not prove the results are form the fake benzyl arbutin.

2. I have been following these and other scammers on several forums. They operate in groups and use multiple identities!

3. If you say herbalinn are not scammers, why dont you supply us with the exact details of the chemical it supposedly is!
1. I know a picture can be photoshopped because AGAIN I'm a PROFESSIONAL graphic & web designer! And you?
I can definitely tell that the photos are NOT photoshopped. If the results are not from benzylarbutin, then what? Monobenzone? Oh.. PUH-LEASE.. Can you prove me that?
The guy in the photos is an ex-member of this very own forum. He tried everything that is recommended by the people here but instead of getting lighter, he got DARKER! He left this forum not long ago and tried benzylarbutin. And he's now soo glad that he didn't listen to all of you *no offense*.

2. So, now you're telling me I'm one of the scammers huh? UHH get this right. You're a NEW member here! What do you know?! You only have 3 posts & how can you tell that I'm a scammer? I've been posting here actively (see my posts) since LAST YEAR until I discovered benzyl arbutin. Senior member here like Mellowkat also left this forum because of a very same reason.

3. Kindly email the owner of HerbalInn.com about that.

P/S: This would probably be my last post on AskMeHelpDesk forum cuz am LEAVING!

1. I know a picture can be photoshopped because AGAIN I'm a PROFESSIONAL graphic & web designer! And you?
I can definitely tell that the photos are NOT photoshopped.

then send me a similar photo, and allow an amateur to demonstrate how!

If the results are not from benzylarbutin, then what?Monobenzone? Oh.. PUH-LEASE.. Can you prove me that?
The guy in the photos is an ex-member of this very own forum. He tried everything that is recommended by the people here but instead of getting lighter, he got DARKER! He left this forum not long ago and tried benzylarbutin. And he's now soo glad that he didn't listen to all of you *no offense*.

You seem to know him well! How do we know he is not also a scammer?

2. So, now you're telling me I'm one of the scammers huh? UHH get this right. You're a NEW member here! What do you know?! You only have 3 posts & how can you tell that I'm a scammer? I've been posting here actively (see my posts) since LAST YEAR until I discovered benzyl arbutin. Senior member here like Mellowkat also left this forum because of a very same reason.
I did not accuse you of being a scammer, although you might be. I don't see that Mellowkat left because of me, seeing as i have joined the forum after he/she left!

3. Kindly email the owner of HerbalInn.com about that.
Already have and NO REPLY. Why dont they just post the answer here in public?

P/S: This would probably be my last post on AskMeHelpDesk forum cuz am LEAVING!

Why should i care if you leave!




At the end of the day, this company is claiming to offer some unique or novel chemical, but do not explain what it is! Sounds very much like a scam to me!!!

Yes, if a product is sold in the USA there has to be proper labeling including the active itmes in it. If they won't say, then they are not honest,

Yes I have permission to post his photos he said he's proud of his results, I have been messaging on myspace with him for a while now, actually you guys made me paranoid because I'm not getting as extreme results as him, that I was thinking he was promoting the site because he is so open about his pictures, he even gave me his name and myspace and we became friends there, I just realize I am jealous because I'm not getting as much lightening as he has when we look to have started with the same dark complexion. I guess everybody responds differently to a product?

I don't think benzylarbutin is a fake chemical, there is a patent article someone posted in the depig forum and it showed they were trying to turn benzylarbutin into arbutin because benzylarbutin is too similar to monobenzone and causes melanocyte death which is why the lightening is so strong but also why big companies don't want to sell something that will kill your pigment cells like monobenzone does, maybe even stronger in long term. Anyway here are the ingredients list its on the bottle and on their website. I have learned herbalinn has been around for years, since 2000 and people had been using the old formulation which was methylarbutin but it wasn't strong enough for people so herbalinn reforumulated to benzylarbutin, according to muna and sam, also.

There are DOZENS of people who posted their photos on depig.forumup.com, not just Syed, and they don't look photoshopped at all. You should see Poca, she is so fair and beautiful, she looks like a royal princess!

I honestly feel this askmehelpdesk is great thats why I'm still here but there are too many people here pushing experimentation with monobenzone which is for vitiligo patients, not "skin lightening", which is a can of worms because people seeking skin lightening on this forum are going to think it's okay to use Monobenzone since this forum here is full of recipes and ebay listings on where to buy monobenzone without a prescription, which is illegal. I almost resorted to monobenzone and I'm glad I found out about Benzylarbutin as the closest alternative, since' I don't have Vitiligo like Omar does. Benzylarbutin is chemically "monobenzlyether of arbutin" from bearberry extract and natural. It's working for me but slow and not as fast for Syed that's why I got uptight, envy!

INGREDIENTS:
COMMON NAME SCIENTIFIC NAME COMPOSITION
1. ACEROLA FERMENTATE Malphigia glabra 2%
2. ALOE VERA Aloe barbadensis 2%
3. B-ARBUTIN Aromatized Arctostaphylos 2%
4. KELP Sargassum pallidum 2%
5.LEMON Citrus medica 2%
6. LICORICE Glycrrhiza glabra 5%
7. Milk PROTEIN Lactic casein 2%
8. MUSHROOM Ganoderma lucidum 2%
9. OLIVE Olea europaea 2%
10. PANTETHEINE Pantetheine sulfonate 2%
11. PEARL Pinctada radiata 2%
12. PERSIAN ROSE Rosa centifolia 2%
13. SANDALWOOD Santanum alba 5%
14. SUNSCREEN SPF 30 Titanium dioxide 2%
15. TURMERIC, WHITE Curcuma longa 5%
16. UNDECYLENOYL PHENYLALANINE Sepiwhite MSH™ 2%
17. VITAMIN A Retinol 2%
18. VITAMIN B3 Niacinamide 5%
19. VITAMIN C Ascorbyl pectinate 2%
20. VITAMIN E Tocopherol acetate 2%
21. YELLOW DOCK Rumex crispa 2%
WATER WASHABLE SERUM BASE Q.S. Water, coconut oil, alcohol, stearic acid, methylparabens, fragrance.

That "patent" Celine talks about is not help by herbalinn or depig forums!!!

If anyone thinks i am a liar, i ask you please send a small sample to an INDEPENDENT LABORATORY for testing. You will find the truth for yourself.

Celine, i believe you are not offering independent advice. I believe you are involved with these scammers, and that is why you have started two threads promoting this garbage.

DEAR HERBALINN, please please prove me wrong and tell us exactly what molecule is in your 'benzyl arbutin'.

Yes, if a product is sold in the USA there has to be proper labeling including the active itmes in it. If they won't say, then they are not honest,


not taking up for anyone but the FDA here , does'nt require companies to make public an ingriedient in thier products ( espesially trade secret ingiedients ) they don't have to reveal that. That is protection to the livly hood of the company that competitors don't try to mimic thier product.

just contact the fda and ask them. now ingirdients that can cause allergic reactions or even death. has to be printed. so that the persons will know weather or not it is safe for them to use.

But the big question is IS THIS PRODUCT FDA APPROVED OR EVEN LOOKED AT BY THE FDA.

FDA DOES NOT REGULATE VITAMINS AND MINERALS. AND AURBUTIN IS ACTURAL A FOOD/ MINERAL BUT I KNOW IT'S NOT A DRUG. THEN AT THAT POINT THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU ALL CAN GET IT IS THRU PRESCRIPTION.

hope i made clear. sorry for caps. this is a fine line with loop holes. i tell you.

but is'nt this the guy that lovie1 got into it with a couple of months back??

I don't know what is in the benzyl arbutin stuff. How do you expect a lay user to know what is in it? There are people on depg.com getting very fast results. I have no clue how they are doing it. I can only speak of my own experience. I thought it was a scam too, but I took the plunge and purchased the powder. I did not buy the readymade creams because someone at depig told me they never got any results from it, so I bought the powder to make my own. Well, since mid April, I have had good results on my discoloration. I have used mono in the past, I will say mono took two months to work, and it worked really well. Benzl has not got me white as mono has, but I am still happy with what it has done for me. So no, everyone coming on here talking about it is not in some big conspiracy to promote the product. If I was part of the company, I would be going on and on gloating about it, but I am not. I am not all gung ho about it. For one thing, their shipping price is ridiculous, and they took too damn long to send me the stuff. But I was desperate to try it, and I am glad I did.

I don't know what is in the benzyl arbutin stuff. How do you expect a lay user to know what is in it? There are people on depg.com getting very fast results. I have no clue how they are doing it. I can only speak of my own experience. I thought it was a scam too, but I took the plunge and purchased the powder. I did not buy the readymade creams because someone at depig told me they never got any results from it, so I bought the powder to make my own. Well, since mid April, I have had good results on my discoloration. I have used mono in the past, I will say mono took two months to work, and it worked really well. Benzl has not got me white as mono has, but I am still happy with what it has done for me. So no, everyone coming on here talking about it is not in some big conspiracy to promote the product. If I was part of the company, I would be going on and on gloating about it, but I am not. I am not all gung ho about it. For one thing, their shipping price is ridiculous, and they took too damn long to send me the stuff. But I was desperate to try it, and I am glad I did.

There are lots of herbalinn fraudsters on that forum with even more identities!

A lay user can find out the exactly what this rubbish is by sending it to a lab for testing. This is not that expensive considering the millions being defrauded by many (not just herbalinn/depig) different scammers in the skin lightening business.

What is worse is that dangers of this chemical are being hidden by this nonsense.

Any representative of herbalinn (they are most DEFINITELY on this forum) is free to explain the exact structure of this chemical and prove me to be a liar!!!!!!!!!!! So please dear herbalinn people, show me to be a disgusting liar who is misleading the public, please!

Fine, you think it is a scam. But you don't have to come on here and tell everyone who has used it or who has had results with it that they are frauding people. This board is about sharing, not putting people down. And where in the hell am I supposed to find a lab to test it? If you are so anxious, why don't you get some and get it tested then? Since you seem to find it so cheap and easy to get lab work done.

yeah i think so

Fine, you think it is a scam. But you don't have to come on here and tell everyone who has used it or who has had results with it that they are frauding people. This board is about sharing, not putting people down. And where in the hell am I supposed to find a lab to test it? If you are so anxious, why don't you get some and get it tested then? Since you seem to find it so cheap and easy to get lab work done.

I am not accusing any user of defrauding anyone, i am accusing the sellers as well as the promoters!

IT IS A SCAM.

I have every right to speak the truth. I am sick to death of scammers taking advantage of people's misery!

Okay. Obviously there is a bit of an arguement about the effectiveness of this product. We all have a right to our opinion, and we can all agree to disagree. I myself have no experience with this product, so I won't venture on an opinion of it's usefullness.

For the people saying it works, or doesn't work, well, there's an easy way to prove it. Post documented proof (not pictures, as they can be altered) that supports your point of view. And just to prove that it's easy to change a picture, well here, let me try;

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And that's just an avatar photo. With a full size photo of someone's face, I could do an even better job, and it only took 1 minute.

The proof is in the pudding. There has to be something that can prove whether or not this procuct works, some studies that have been done etc. So prove your point, don't just argue it.