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Old Dec 8, 2007, 05:50 AM
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Toxic shame

What do you know about Toxic shame?

This is a little I have read about it,how does this affect what we do as addicts?

Addicts often carry a lot of shame which should not be theirs. Dealing with shame and absolving oneself of blame are important steps.

When a child grows up with people who are emotionally aware, the experience of shame which is passed on to the child is healthy and nourishing. When a child is brought up by shame-based parents, (those who cannot mirror and affirm their child’s emotions), the shame learned is toxic. Shame and blame are often toxic in abusive households.

Once learned, toxic shame continues to be created from inside of oneself. People affected by it judge themselves, rather than judging their actions. If they make a mistake or do something wrong, they judge themselves as bad, rather than judging their actions as imperfect. They live in terror of unexpected exposure - of others seeing them as they see themselves. Their shame separates them from others, causing them to disown their real selves and create a false self (a mask) that they present to the world.

The false selves created by different individuals are many, varied and hard to identify.

What are yours?

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Old Dec 8, 2007, 07:56 AM   #2  
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sounds to me like another attempt by psychiatrists to get more people hooked on therapy and/or psychotropic meds .
I don't know very many people that are sensitive like that, in fact most people I know are in denial to who they are and any wrong they do.
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sounds to me like another attempt by psychiatrists to get more people hooked on therapy and/or psychotropic meds .
I don't know very many people that are sensitive like that, in fact most people I know are in denial to who they are and any wrong they do.
No, this is a standard practice.accepted and used by better therapists(educated beyond first year-third year therapy degrees)

I am studying it to further my understanding of addictions(as well as others need to be informed about it too)

Don't be thrown off by the label TOXIC, that just means repetitive,unconscious, and from a long past(kind of the denial you made reference to)It is a real issue,I am barely understanding it too, thats why the question.

And as far as sensitivity to it, I am aware of it, so I guess I am one person you know who is sensitive like that.

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N0help4u agrees: most addicts I know are in denial but then again MAYBE S0ME did become addicts because they were oversensitive---I never thought of it that way--guess because many addicts I know have ruthless manipulative attitudes
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I am afraid this topic is beyond what most might want to look at.

Shame, denial and resentments are for the recovering, not the suffering.
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I will check it out. Is it something like what they call inner child?
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I will check it out. Is it something like what they call inner child?
Yes,No, It requires a lot of understanding and research, kind of advanced study beyond typical therapy.like a forth step.

PS,Mooncrest?

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I learned in grad school that --

Guilt = I did a bad thing.

Shame = I AM bad.

Realizing the difference becomes an "Aha" moment for addicts and others struggling with ego problems.

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If memory serves, this was popularized by Bradshaw. It's incorporated into most spirituality-based recovery curricula. Also, Scott Peck's assertion that toxic shame for the neurotic is self-directed (it's all my fault) and for the character disorder other-directed (it's everyone else's fault)... I believe Peck was the one who called it a "responsibility disorder." Both are blocks to spiritual recovery, and mired in the victim paradigm. Both effectively prevent people from moving beyond abstinence into self-healing and growth.

Abstinence is often thought of as being synonymous with recovery, but we've all known folks who have been abstinent for 20+ without having moved beyond that. 12-step modeling is a vital tool for attaining abstinence and support, but Bill W. intended it to be a boat to the other side of the river. The model wasn't intended to be a barge that people live on without crossing to the other side (the recovery side, where all the really hard work takes place).

Longer-term inpatient recovery programs (or counseling-intensive outpatient) are great places to learn how to use the many tools for recovery. Whether people decide to use them is completely out of everyone's hands but theirs, though.

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as one who lived the streets addicted to Methamphetamine, I understand this feeling you described.

Shame of who you are is something very hard to overcome. It's difficult to look at you actions seperately from who you are. The masks created are a self-defense. If I let you see who I really am you may reject me as I have rejected myself. This is the legacy of toxic shame.

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N0help4u agrees: sadly most people that fit this toxic shame that I know are cutters and I guess that could be one reason why many are drug addicts
KBC agrees: thank you, this is right on topic now! Now for further discussion!!
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I will check it out. Is it something like what they call inner child?
I also lived in mooncrest almost 20 years ago!!!
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