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    Nov 8, 2006, 10:22 PM
    Hair folical test
    I haven't smoked any weed in over a month and a half, yet I'm still worried because I have an interview and drug test with an airline. I was wondering if anyone knew of a good shampoo, or other way to make sure that I am clean. I have researched this on the internet and have found that repeated washing of my hair may work but it has to be over a long period. My test is on the 15th of November. I have some time, but not an eternity. If someone could be of help that would be great!

    Thanks

    Go Steelers!!
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    Nov 10, 2006, 10:33 PM
    I am not aware that any test can detect THC after one and a half month.
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    Nov 11, 2006, 06:35 AM
    First the washing of the hair is a myth, does not work, what is tested is not on the outside of the hair but on the inside, from the chemical content inside the hair. Perhaps shaving the hair off would work.

    Minor amounts can be found up to 3 months, but I doubt that after a month there would be enough to be over the limits to show positive on the test.
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    Nov 11, 2006, 10:18 AM
    The hair at the end, not near the scalp, can be tested. What is in that strand remains until it is cut off.

    This is why some companies are resorting to strand tests to check for drugs. It cannot be washed out of the system like you can clean out your system for a urine test.

    If you have not cut your hair in a year and you smoked 9 months ago, there is a good chance they will find it in a strand test.
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    Nov 18, 2006, 12:47 PM
    J_R is right. If your hair has grown for 10 years and you smoked 9 years ago, it will show up.
    I didn't know they did hair strand test because of the cost? The last test I was aware of was the "mouth swab". It is very cheap to do and the person can't cheat. The urine tests are out because there are too many ways to cheat.
    How did your test go and what kind of a test did they do?
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    Nov 18, 2006, 01:54 PM
    Oh, there are new urine tests out there now, and you can't cheat!! I just had to take a 10-panel drug screen for school, and it was only $20. Any substance you put in your body to rid yourself of the indicated drug is found.

    We temporarily lost about 4 people because of cough medication that contained codeine. After proof of prescription they were allowed back in.
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    Nov 18, 2006, 02:04 PM
    J_9.. I am in a jail counseling group for my church and I was talking more about the way these women use others urine. You would not believe what some of these women say they have gotten away with.
    Maybe I am naivete(?) but they convinced me that they are very good at getting away with this, but who knows?
    I have a neighbor who, I know, has gotten away with cheating on a urine test... but this was a long time ago and things have changed.
    In E.R we do a mini cath.
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    Nov 18, 2006, 02:07 PM
    Oh, yes, a mini-cath is the best by far. When I took mine a few weeks ago, the nurse did a physical to see if we had anything on us, and stood in the bathroom and watched.

    She not only took our urine, but did a "dip" test in the toilet and in the jar to check pH levels. She expained that if pH levels did not match then it was not our urine.

    I had a friend one time who's boyfriend used her urine for a test and the results came back that Bobby was pregnant!!
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    Nov 18, 2006, 02:10 PM
    The last urine drug test that I took showed every drug that was foreign to my body and how much it measuered out to be. Marijuana stays in the system for 3 months and can be detected no matter what you use to disguise it, with the right test.
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    Nov 18, 2006, 06:06 PM
    Very informative, but can the people who visit here frequently understand half of this? This is for medical professionals, not the general public.

    Can you prove where we are wrong using links that the general public can understand?

    EntrezPubMed is for professionals.

    And yes, the last one is the best, this is the message that I got:

    Not Found

    The requested URL /usage/hairtest.shtml was not found on this server.
    Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
    Apache/2.0.52 (Red Hat) Server at www.cannabis.com Port 80


    Oh, yes, and cannabis.com will of course toot their own horn.
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    Nov 18, 2006, 06:23 PM
    Here is the content of the last one:

    Hair analysis can detect drug use for several months or more,
    Depending on the length of the hair.
    -Brief periods of abstinence from drugs will not significantly alter the
    Outcome of hair analysis.
    -Contaminating or altering a sample to distort or manipulate test
    Results is much more difficult with hair than with urine. Preliminary
    Research shows that even treating hair with a variety of strong
    Compounds will not completely eliminate traces of illicit drugs. -Hair
    Is relatively inert, easy to handle, and requires no special storage
    Facilities or conditions. Compared with urine samples, it presents
    Fewer risks of disease trasmission.

    Hair grows at an average rate of about half an
    Inch every 30 days.

    References:
    W. Baumgartner, V. Hill, and W. Blahd, 1989. "Hair analysis for drugs of
    abuse." Journal of Forensic Sciences 34, 6: 1433-53.
    E. Cone, 1990. "Testing human hair for drugs of abuse: Individual dose
    and time profiles of morphine and codeine in plasma, saliva, urine, and beard compared to
    drug-induced effects on pupils and behavior." Journal of American Toxicology 14: 1-7.

    http://www.cannabis.com/usage/hairtest.shtml
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    Nov 18, 2006, 06:31 PM
    Here is the content of the last one:

    Hair analysis can detect drug use for several months or more,
    Depending on the length of the hair.
    -Brief periods of abstinence from drugs will not significantly alter the
    Outcome of hair analysis.
    -Contaminating or altering a sample to distort or manipulate test
    Results is much more difficult with hair than with urine. Preliminary
    Research shows that even treating hair with a variety of strong
    Compounds will not completely eliminate traces of illicit drugs. -Hair
    Is relatively inert, easy to handle, and requires no special storage
    Facilities or conditions. Compared with urine samples, it presents
    Fewer risks of disease trasmission.

    Hair grows at an average rate of about half an
    Inch every 30 days.

    References:
    W. Baumgartner, V. Hill, and W. Blahd, 1989. "Hair analysis for drugs of
    abuse." Journal of Forensic Sciences 34, 6: 1433-53.
    E. Cone, 1990. "Testing human hair for drugs of abuse: Individual dose
    and time profiles of morphine and codeine in plasma, saliva, urine, and beard compared to
    drug-induced effects on pupils and behavior." Journal of American Toxicology 14: 1-7.

    http://www.cannabis.com/usage/hairtest.shtml

    Another source:

    http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-...hairtest.shtml
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    Nov 19, 2006, 07:14 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by gosteeler11
    i havent smoked any weed in over a month and a half, yet im still worried becuz i have an interview and drug test with an airline. i was wondering if anyone knew of a good shampoo, or other way to make sure that i am clean. i have researched this on the internet and have found that repeated washing of my hair may work but it has to be over a long period of time. my test is on the 15th of november. i have some time, but not an eternity. if someone could be of help that would be great!

    Thanks

    Go Steelers!!!!
    The best way to pass a drug test is not to use, and washing your hair will not alter the results. As you have heard here technology has eliminated the old ways of cheating. Even cutting off all your hair will do you no good as eyebrows, or pubic hairs can be used. No hair, NO test, NO job.
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    Jan 2, 2007, 09:38 PM
    What are the effects of bupropion?
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    Oct 11, 2007, 07:48 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by gosteeler11
    i havent smoked any weed in over a month and a half, yet im still worried becuz i have an interview and drug test with an airline. i was wondering if anyone knew of a good shampoo, or other way to make sure that i am clean. i have researched this on the internet and have found that repeated washing of my hair may work but it has to be over a long period of time. my test is on the 15th of november. i have some time, but not an eternity. if someone could be of help that would be great!

    Thanks

    Go Steelers!!!!
    First of all, they can NOT detect THC. These fake test's detect metabolites from said drugs, which also can come from hundredes of sources.

    THC is stored in the fat cells of the body, and then breakes down to be excreated. The more body fat, the longer it lingers in you.

    Drinking massive amounts of water will help by flushing fat out of you. BUT, FOR a UA, this can backfire.

    You will need a kit to clean your hair, scalp. These cost around $150/kit. Stay away from the $25 shampoo, that's all it is, POO! It won't work. You want a kit that will generate heat to cook the toxins out. If in a pinch, and you have no other choice, bribe the person giving the test. I have no problem kicking out 5k if it keeps my 100k/year job. Of course, this too could backfire, and you could be charged with a felony. Up to you.

    The hair test is geared for the meth-heads. IT is not very good for marijuana, and if you fail, fight it.

    I've been tested on and off in the oil field for 10 years, and never once failed! I smoke EVERY day, as much as I can. So, those telling you how "accurate" the testing is, are either miss-informed, or are connected to these pukes making these scam test's up.

    Any test developed can be beaten over time. These test are for unemploying people only. They do NOT increase safety in anyway, shape or form.

    You can buy a good kit, and then pay to have your own hair test done. Then you will know if it works or not for you. For UA's, I have even been stoned when they gave it to me. My urine was the correct color, ph, etc.. and never questioned about it.
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    Jan 7, 2008, 02:04 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Scooterdog
    The hair test is geared for the meth-heads. IT is not very good for marijuana, and if you fail, fight it.


    This man is 100% correct. Meth and even coke are next to impossible to get out of your hair. It becomes part of the hair. THC does to some extent, but it CAN be washed out. There are chemicals that open, and penetrate the hair shaft and actually strip out all the "toxins". It's a little bit more difficult for people of African or Asian descent to get THC out of their hair, because dark hair has a thicker cortex. Not impossible, just more work is involved in the process.

    Your everyday wal-mart bargain shampoo won't work. Zydot seems to be a good. But don't rely on it alone. You will also need salicylic acid, vinegar, and laundry detergent.
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    Nov 8, 2011, 01:55 PM
    I am currently In a union and I know a lot about the drug tests and the capabilities. The most acurate test they have is a hair folical test. There is no way to cheat it. It accuratly test up to 3 months but many companies still look at 4 months semi acuratly. Anything past 4 months max cannot be tested because everyone's hair grows at different rates.

    The folical is the little white piece at the tip of your hair when you pull it out that is what they test. In the center it holds traces of every chemical put into your bodie save a very few amounts of drugs that do not show up. Most detox shampoos do not work they are get rich quick skeems by random people. Good luck to you
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    Feb 4, 2012, 11:44 PM
    If you call any lab that has conducted hair testing on your hair they will not help you. IN FACT they will REFUSE to answer ANY questions if you are a donor. Most of your investigating will have to be done on your own time and with your own sources which will be solely up to you to produce. Upon my investigation of hair testing I found so much controversial information, it would make the public sick to know that something so inaccurate can be used to determine the future of a child. First, hair testing is 5-10 times more accurate at finding TRACES of substance abuse. In fact hair testing really is only supposed to be used to determine whether someone is a DRUG USER. It is advertised as a source for employers to find out pre-employment if they run the risk of HIRING a DRUG USER, since drug users cost companies thousands more in healthcare coverage than non-drug users. Hair testing CANNOT determine whether an illicit drug was used on a specific day or week. Hair testing is more accurate because the process not only tests for the drug itself, but chemicals and metabolites the drugs break down into LONG AFTER the initial use of the drug. In fact it is known that certain metabolites can stay in users body up to 6 months after initial use. Bad news for addicts in recovery, unless the organization is well WELL educated (or lab workers themselves) a positive hair test can be misconstrued as ACTIVE USE. The process is an APPROXIMATE ESTIMATION. Meaning it relies on too many factors to say without a reasonable doubt that this person used in the last 3 months. Some of these factors include but are NOT limited too, rate of hair growth (one persons hair may grow 5x faster than anothers there is no way to know for sure how fast someone's hair may grow and the amount of things that can affect the rate of hair growth is infinite.) , where the hair is taken from on the head (some areas grow at a faster rate than others), How much of a drug was used before abstinence, the individuals metabolism (this also varies greatly and can affect deposits into the hair shaft in different ways, for example, if your have a fast metabolism your body would be getting rid of higher amounts of metabolites which would reflect higher levels but it would disperse of them quicker so the longer time passes between drug use and collection date could mean the difference between a positive or negative result.), how far from the scalp of the donor's head the hair was cut ( hair cannot be collected from the root so when it's cut if there is any hair left between the cut and the scalp the length needs to be taken into consideration.) The way hair testing is performed is the following: An inch and a half of hair is collected from the donor close to the scalp from the crown of the head. It is sent to the lab and then chemically washed. The hair is then cut into 3 segments a half inch apart each starting from the end closest to the scalp. The three SEPARATE sections are supposed to stand for a month each meaning that the first half inch of hair from the cut is considered days 1-30, the second half inch are days 31-60 and the last half inch is days 61-90. The problem is that this is an approximation. If the user abstained 45 days into the test it can still come back positive. Especially if they were using significantly HIGH amounts of drugs. The test isn't at all accurate enough to pinpoint specific days which means its not accurate enough to cancel out negative urinalysis', ESPECIALLY if those urines were supervised. It takes time from the date of drug use to the day it enters the hair shaft. It takes even MORE time for that hair to exit the scalp and even more time after that for the hair to grow to a considerable length to be included in collection. For instance, just because the hair was collected on Jun 15 doesn't mean the donor didn't use on June 15 (considering the test came back negative). IN FACT some scientists state that it could take up to 2 weeks or LONGER for the part of the hair that has the drug in it to be available for collection. If your collection date is June 15 then DCF will state that the test covers the following: Days 1-30 6/15-5/15, Days 31-60 4/15-5/14 and days 61-90 3/15-4/14. It's kind of confusing but if you think about it day 1 would be considered the collection date. The test is looking back 90 days so day 90 would be 90 days from the date of collection. The problem is that it isn't accurate when it comes to timing, hair growth, and exact measurements. The 3 separate segments of 1/2 inch each are put into test tubes melted down and shaken up and put into a machine to react with chemicals. The truth is that the smallest section of hair is a half inch. If my hair grows slower than a half inch a month and for example it only grows a 1/4 inch per month, not only is the test going to be covering the last 6 MONTHS but the test is going to come up positive for the last section of hair which DCF will try to say is the last 30 days but if my hair grows only a 1/4 inch per month than that half inch segment REALLY covers the last 60 DAYS and the entire test covers the last 6 months!! If then that half inch of hair covers the last 60 days then if I used on day 60 and 59 (remember day 1 would be the collection date) then that half inch will come up positive and DCF will try to say that you used the whole 60 days - in a situation like this you would REALLY be screwed because they think the test is covering the last 30 days so they will say you used the entire 30 days before the test. And they will try to say that any negative urines you gave Don't COUNT. The real problem is that organizations like DCF have NO ONE to answer to and NO ONE to ensure they follow regulations and really do the RIGHT THING when it comes to PROTECTING CHILDREN. They get to run a muck snatching up kids from families that may have not done anything wrong except suffer from a drug addiction. Then they get to enforce things like hair tests and use them for a purpose other than what they were originally intended for. If DCF is requiring you to take a hair test and they are AWARE you are an addict in recovery and you have submitted negative urines but your sobriety date is in the last 90 days, then I would HIGHLY ADVISE you refuse and seek legal counsel, at least until it has been way past 90 days since your last date of use plus an additional 2 weeks to account for metabolism, hair growth etc. I also advise you do a LOT of research, especially with the LAB dcf is going to use to submit the hair test. This includes calling them and asking lots of questions. You may have to lie and not let them know you are a donor. That alone sounds fishy to me, the fact that everyone refuses to talk to a donor yet the future of you and your child is in their hands and their labs hands. Something is just not right about that. When I called and identified myself as the counselor of a donor and told them that I personally supervised urines that came back negative in the last 30 days the Lab Technician asked me why we were performing the hair test? Again as previously stated, she said that hair tests are ONLY to be used for pre employment screeening for companies. She stated that in "no way are they to be used to determine when in the last 90 days an addict stopped using NOR would these results hold up in a court of law. The test simply is not meant to be used for that purpose. ITs not advertised as that and it wasn't designed for that. "

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