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    earl237 Posts: 532, Reputation: 57
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    Sep 10, 2013, 01:06 PM
    Iowa gives concealed carry permits to blind people, seriously
    First heard it on "The Colbert Report" so I thought it was a joke at first but it's actually true. Just when you think gun laws can't get any more stupid. Iowa is another addition to my list of places I won't be visiting.
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    Sep 10, 2013, 01:21 PM
    Giving them to Democrats who preach against Second amendment rights is even worse.


    And incidentally... not all legally blind people are completely sightless.
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    Sep 10, 2013, 01:22 PM
    It sounds ridiculous, but not necessarily.

    The quandary centers squarely on public safety. Advocates for the disabled and Iowa law enforcement officers disagree over whether it's a good idea for visually disabled Iowans to have weapons.

    On one side: People such as Cedar County Sheriff Warren Wethington, who demonstrated for The Des Moines Register how blind people can be taught to shoot guns. And Jane Hudson, executive director of Disability Rights Iowa, who says blocking visually impaired people from the right to obtain weapon permits would violate the Americans with Disabilities Act. That federal law generally prohibits different treatment based on disabilities

    On the other side: People such as Dubuque County Sheriff Don Vrotsos, who said he wouldn't issue a permit to someone who is blind. And Patrick Clancy, superintendent of the Iowa Braille and Sight Saving School, who says guns may be a rare exception to his philosophy that blind people can participate fully in life.

    Private gun ownership — even hunting — by visually impaired Iowans is nothing new. But the practice of visually impaired residents legally carrying firearms in public became widely possible thanks to gun permit changes that took effect in Iowa in 2011
    I'm quite sure blind people can learn to handle a gun though I don't necessarily want to be around when they do. But hey, you can't discriminate unless you're the IRS.
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    Sep 10, 2013, 01:25 PM
    And if they didn't allow the blind to have a permit, you would be crying discrimination, right?

    I don't necessarily agree but you can't discriminate because they're blind. That would not be politically correct.
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    Sep 10, 2013, 01:50 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by odinn7 View Post
    And if they didn't allow the blind to have a permit, you would be crying discrimination, right?

    I don't necessarily agree but you can't discriminate because they're blind. That would not be politically correct.
    Heck, my friend with Down's syndrome got a FOID card and an AK-47, so why not the blind?
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    Sep 10, 2013, 02:05 PM
    I see an easy out on any jail sentence. "Honestly l didn't know it was my wife. I swear I was aiming at an intruder."
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    Sep 10, 2013, 02:16 PM
    Could be worse... you could be a 107 year old blown away by a SWAT team. I say give the blind dude a chance.
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    Sep 10, 2013, 02:24 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    could be worse ....you could be a 107 year old blown away by a SWAT team. I say give the blind dude a chance.
    Only if he's on my side in the shootout and not pointing his weapon at me.
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    Sep 10, 2013, 03:29 PM
    The Americans with Disabilities act says that people can't be treated differently because of disabilities but you can't let the law overrule common sense and public safety. What if someone with no arms wanted to buy a gun and try to shoot with his feet?
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    Sep 10, 2013, 04:07 PM
    You mean some laws lack common sense ? I'm shocked !
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    Sep 10, 2013, 04:28 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    you mean some laws lack common sense ? I'm shocked !
    LMAO I've seen people get away with crying discrimination for jobs they clearly couldn't do
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    Sep 10, 2013, 04:55 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by earl237 View Post
    The Americans with Disabilities act says that people can't be treated differently because of disabilities but you can't let the law overrule common sense and public safety. What if someone with no arms wanted to buy a gun and try to shoot with his feet?
    Hey... Obama is allowed to be president... with his mental handicaps.
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    Sep 10, 2013, 05:06 PM
    There wouldn't be many people in Congress if people with mental handicaps were excluded.
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    Sep 10, 2013, 06:12 PM
    I did not read prior posts, anyone who says a blind person can not shoot, has never been shooting with any. I have been to the range and out on bird huts with a few.

    To be honest, they were better shots than many people who can see. Their ability to hear and know that direction is amazing. At outdoor shoots, they will shoot at a cow bell. In doors they use a bell also.

    For the birds, they can hear the bird flying in the air.

    As to other noice, when they get very good, they can tell the difference between two people, walking, and know who is who, just by the sounds of their steps

    I would trust most of the blind people with a gun above some of the fools I have known that can see
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    Sep 10, 2013, 06:33 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by earl237 View Post
    There wouldn't be many people in Congress if people with mental handicaps were excluded.
    I can't disagree with that.
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    Sep 10, 2013, 06:46 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck View Post
    I would trust most of the blind people with a gun above some of the fools I have known that can see
    I haven't been around anyone that is blind that shoots but I think I would have to agree. I have seen plenty of idiots that shouldn't be holding a gun who have perfect eyesight.
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    Sep 11, 2013, 11:02 AM
    Why should people as vulnerable as a blind persons are, be denied the right to defend themselves? Maybe Colbert can kick that one around for a while. Thugs prey on the most vulnerable they can find and they have to get close in to do their thuggery anyhow-- and a blind guy putting one or two rounds close up into the bad guy's head, heart, lung, testicles, etc doesn't bother me a bit. Poetic justice.
    As far as wild shots hitting innocent bystanders, it happens just about every day in America and it sure ain't the blind causing it.
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    Sep 14, 2013, 01:32 PM
    I guess no one told them they couldn't play baseball either??

    The National Beep Baseball Association - Home Page

    Watch How Blind People Are Able To Play Baseball, Or "beepball". - Funny Videos at Videobash

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