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odinn7 · May 23, 2013, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

even a fourteen year old is not that niaive, surely. murder and bloody mayhem deserve only one reply

Oh, don't get me wrong... for once, you and I agree on something. ;)
I was just pointing out that she is not an adult and may have a skewed view on this... it also appears from some of her posts that she may be Muslim as well so that could have something to do with the opinion.

talaniman · May 23, 2013, 04:17 PM

Two more arrests in brutal London attack

Muslim religious groups and charities were quick to condemn the attack and urged police to calm tensions. The Muslim Council of Britain called it a "barbaric act that has no basis in Islam," adding that "no cause justifies this murder."

Catsmine · May 23, 2013, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Two more arrests in brutal London attack

I do believe the Muslim Council of Britain is practicing taqiyya.

paraclete · May 23, 2013, 04:40 PM

Well of course they are in deniel

smkanand · May 23, 2013, 11:25 PM

If Britain and other countries will stop giving asylum to dictators, former terrorist and criminals, things will change.

paraclete · May 24, 2013, 01:44 AM

We these people in that category? How do you know?

speechlesstx · May 24, 2013, 06:15 AM

Probably the best take on what's happened to the UK.

This incident illustrates, if nothing else, the endpoint of the social engineering of the West. It has been remarkably effective.

From a certain point of view, the British crowd behaved perfectly and this is the way “they” all want us to behave. The populace sheltered in place, didn’t do anything rash, talked to the perpetrators as people. They waited for the police to come and the hospital helicopter to take the corpse away. Some will doubtless get counseling to overcome their shattering experience.

And then they will congratulate themselves on how tough British society is; resilience and all that. The more caring will leave some flowers by a railing and hold a few candle vigils for healing and peace, until these wither and blow away and the news cycle washes up a new object of attention.

The attackers knew they were actors in a drama — as keenly watched in their communities as on the BBC. And in that other audience they were asking: “How will the locals behave?” We know now. And that other audience may derive an entirely different lesson from this tableau: “See? Only their women act like men. They follow orders. They are nothing anymore — these Westerners. They are a civilization whose core has been destroyed.”

And would they be right? Who will be the judge? Per C.S. Lewis:

And all the time — such is the tragi-comedy of our situation — we continue to clamor for those very qualities we are rendering impossible. You can hardly open a periodical without coming across the statement that what our civilization needs is more “drive”, or dynamism, or self-sacrifice, or “creativity”. In a sort of ghastly simplicity we remove the organ and demand the function. We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.

What could go wrong?

Apparently everything. And in typical fashion David Cameron responded with the obligatory "this is not representative of Islam" drivel. Al-shabaab says it is:

smkanand · May 24, 2013, 06:24 AM

Cameron said what he supposed to say, that's diplomacy. The real need is policy change.

speechlesstx · May 24, 2013, 06:26 AM

We need less diplomacy and more balls.

paraclete · May 24, 2013, 08:17 AM

What is needed is to take the gloves off, deport the radicals back to where they came from and support the destruction of the militants wherever they are found. Muslims declared war on the west in 2001 and there can only be on outcome and it is not the winding down of the war to a police action as Obama proposes. He doesn't have the stomach for what must be done to little Barack and too much Hussien. The French have the right idea take the fight right to them

speechlesstx · May 24, 2013, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

what is needed is to take the gloves off, deport the radicals back to where they came from and support the destruction of the militants whereever they are found. Muslims declared war on the west in 2001 and there can only be on outcome and it is not the winding down of the war to a police action as Obama proposes. He doesn't have the stomach for what must be done to little Barack and too much Hussien. The French have the right idea take the fight right to them

As I was saying...

Catsmine · May 24, 2013, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

what is needed is to take the gloves off, deport the radicals back to where they came from and support the destruction of the militants whereever they are found. Muslims declared war on the west in 2001 and there can only be on outcome and it is not the winding down of the war to a police action as Obama proposes. He doesn't have the stomach for what must be done to little Barack and too much Hussien. The French have the right idea take the fight right to them

Deportation? not exactly. I would suggest a Dr. Zhivago ride to Riyadh, Tehran, and Mecca.

tomder55 · May 24, 2013, 10:02 AM

This incident illustrates, if nothing else, the endpoint of the social engineering of the West. It has been remarkably effective.

From a certain point of view, the British crowd behaved perfectly and this is the way “they” all want us to behave. The populace sheltered in place, didn't do anything rash, talked to the perpetrators as people. They waited for the police to come and the hospital helicopter to take the corpse away. Some will doubtless get counseling to overcome their shattering experience.

And then they will congratulate themselves on how tough British society is; resilience and all that. The more caring will leave some flowers by a railing and hold a few candle vigils for healing and peace, until these wither and blow away and the news cycle washes up a new object of attention.

The attackers knew they were actors in a drama — as keenly watched in their communities as on the BBC. And in that other audience they were asking: “How will the locals behave?” We know now. And that other audience may derive an entirely different lesson from this tableau: “See? Only their women act like men. They follow orders. They are nothing anymore — these Westerners. They are a civilization whose core has been destroyed.”

Belmont Club

paraclete · May 24, 2013, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Belmont Club

Nice to know the opinions you post are not your own

paraclete · May 24, 2013, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

As I was saying...

Yes we do sometimes agree

tomder55 · May 24, 2013, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

nice to know the opinions you post are not your own

If someone expresses it better than I can why not quote with proper credit ?

paraclete · May 24, 2013, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

if someone expresses it better than I can why not quote with proper credit ?

I was referring to the fact you didn't give thecredit in the first post

smkanand · May 25, 2013, 03:58 AM

London killer was related to a terror group named Al mujhairan, banned organization. One line of condemning the incident by muslim groups is just not enough.

paraclete · May 25, 2013, 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by smkanand

London killer was related to a terror group named Al mujhairan, banned organization. one line of condemning the incident by muslim groups is just not enough.

I agree Muslim are partisan in these matters, this form of terrorism or confrontation will not end until they end it themselves. That will take a Muslim withdrawal from western countries and a western withdrawal from muslim countries and frankly they are dulluded if they think we want those lands.

smkanand · May 25, 2013, 07:49 AM

All the financial help these terror groups are getting from rich muslims spread all over the world through various mediums. It's time to scrutiny financial world.